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Firefox stans are some of the most annoying people.
Yes, I know I'm contributing to a Chromium monopoly, thank you for telling me. Firefox just doesn't do the things I need my browser to do.
Google stans are ignorant as hell.
Seems like they are pretty informed. Or are you just mad he's calling out over zealous privacy advocates who ensure nobody will ever take them seriously because they bitched about TikTok for 5 years.
Let’s have a bit more of a objective discussion here:
Privacy advocates are trying to keep you from being transparent to corporations, law enforcement and criminals because they see the patterns that can lead to very bad outcomes. E.g. people being falsely targeted by ai face recognition that was on the news recently
„Stans“ are referring to people identifying with something. In the case of firefox, people identify with privacy and freedom. Those are elemental parts of democracy. The opposite side here is advocating on behalf of corporations who rake in billions in profit, buy up land and real estate, control markets and you can actually see those being subject to lawsuits both by the government and citizens for breaking the law, selling your data and going full send on their profits instead of caring about the communities they operate in.
So, the term „well informed“ is kind of self defeating here as gobbling up corpo koolaid is not really „informed“. It’s also the same that conspiracy theorists say. Actually listening to the arguments is what does the trick.
Your error is assuming there are only two polar opposites, and thus assuming because I'm not a Firefox stan, that I am advocating for corporations.
One can be privacy-conscious and still sick of the constant guilt-tripping by the hardcore Firefox fandom.
Rhetorical trick: You‘re misrepresenting what I said to make it sound illogical.
I never said there are only these. What I said is that there are strong arguments for privacy friendly software and people are actively trying to educate others on this topic.
You‘re also assuming someone is guilt tripping you, either because you actually have that wrong impression or to make it sound more problematic.
Nobody cares what browser you use. We shit on google, not on you. You‘re the one injecting themselves into this conversation and trolling people with fake „calling them out“ while you‘re the one using all kinds of techniques to bully your way to „being right“.
If you‘d actually compare arguments, you‘d have to give up so you don’t do it.
This is actually a thing, because it's the best argument Firefox fans have to get someone to switch to it.
"If you don't use Firefox, you're supporting the Chromium monopoly". It's the whole point of all those Firefox memes that have been popping up lately.
you‘re obviously not willing or able to use actual arguments in this conversation so I will have to opt out. I can recommend local bars where you can exchange your baseless aggression with others. Good luck.
I don't think that's where it ends. If it was I think we'd mostly be on the same page. Constantly telling people to ditch services they enjoy such as TikTok, Facebook, Google, etc. Continued vague references to devices listening to you that really aren't. Constantly pointing out targeted ads as something that most people really couldn't care less. And if you say that, "you just don't understand what the data can be used for". It's all highly condescending and created a weariness to the community. They've become vista UAC.
First, please drop the attitude because you‘re actively being condescending yourself atm.
Secondly, the argument itself becomes a problem here:
„Constantly“ is a rhetorical overstatement. Nobody is constantly doing anything. You are annoyed and that is ok.
I honestly don’t care about tiktok and therefore have no opinion on its privacy issues except stuff I heard.
But from facebook I did download a package of my data since the gdpr forced them to comply and give users their data.
I used facebook a year or so when it was new and once every quarter since then.
The data consisted of most sites I visited before and after visiting facebook. Stuff I bought, stuff I looked at.
And that is not all. I‘m constantly getting scam mails referencing an old address of mine. Guess where this address (exclusively) is still noted. Correct, at facebook.
So, you absolutely don’t need to do anything. Just know that facebook (the others too but facebook the hardest) actively sells your userdata and behavioral data to make money.
They are actively being fined tens of thousands of dollars a day by european governments for „leaking“ userdata.
So, I‘m fine with anyone doing what they want. Just dont school me on privacy.
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Username checks out. Head on back over and have a classic reddit rage fest please, just not here.
No. I'm deeply sorry I think the privacy community is very zealous.
And what needs would that be?
idk about OP but I use chrome because in Firefox I have to manually download my web history and send it to Google so they can log it for my security, Chrome streamlines this process and ensures Google has my data even if I mistakenly wonder onto a website they don't have trackers on
Off the top of my head:
I'm pretty sure that all of that are from extensions you would have installed for chrome?
Whats that supposed to mean? That you can use macOS Spotlight to search the web with? Yeah same thing with firefox, atleast under linux.
Like pressing F12 for fullscreen?
Like themes?
No? Chrome isn't the only web browser in existence.
That I can bring up a search bar that'll search my history, closed tabs, bookmarks, open tabs, the web and more all at once.
Not only that, also selectively hiding the tab bar, address bar or specific sidebar panels.
No, like custom toolbar buttons that do custom things when clicked.
fascinating. which browser are you using?
I'm using Vivaldi, made by a small but honest company in Norway founded by ex-Opera employees: https://vivaldi.com/features/
Out of those who actually give a reason for this position, which is practically no one, it's almost always "vertical tabs". Apparently those people can't use a search engine since there are multiple easily found extensions available that make FF do vertical tabs.
Then how about tab tiling, multi-level tab bars, workspaces, automatic session backups, sidebar panels, Spotlight-like global search, commands to toggle parts of the UI and custom toolbar buttons?
I can probably find an extension for most of these if I look hard enough, but then I'd have to worry about them being maintained and not sold out. At that point I'd rather use a browser that has all this built-in.
Bullshit. You’re just too lazy to figure it out. Talk about annoying.
Do you think a message like yours will convince me to give it another try?
LMFAO, you're an idiot. There's nothing chrome can do that FF can't do better.
Who said anything about Chrome?
You verbally abuse me and hallucinate things I didn't even mention. You're exactly the kind of person I was talking about.
@JokeDeity @HKayn, Tab groupings, PWAs, hibernate inactive Tabs, vertical tabs, casting on desktop, workspaces, compatibility with some webs, vertical tabs.... well, maybe with a ton of extensions..
Oooooof, it's amazing you couldn't come up with a single thing that actually is true. Firefox can do all of that.
Why do you need to hibernate inactive tabs? Just fucking close it.
There is no way you need any of this shit.
Do you realize how you're sounding right now? Is this how you intend to convince people to give Firefox a try? Or are you just looking to start a fight?
I couldn’t give a flying fuck what browser you use.
You sound like a bitch.
That’s literally all you’re doing right now.
And yet you're here flinging insults at other people, giving everyone insight into how bitter the Firefox fandom is.
You only have yourself to blame for Firefox' fading relevance.
Ooooof, go home.
Plenty of reasons to do so, but he's dumb anyways because you absolutely can hibernate tabs in FF.
@Coreidan, what if you need switching between several tabs, even if you can use to view them in Split Screen, in saved Workspaces? Open and close these every time? not viable. In Vivaldi no problem, even no RAM problems with mor than 100 tabs open (in extremis), if you want.