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[-] immutable@lemm.ee 227 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Tariffs suck for the country implementing the tariff. But before I tell you why they suck, let me tell you the way they are supposed to help.

Here’s the way tariffs are supposed to work according to people that like tariffs (spoiler alert, this thing I’m about to describe is a fantasy and I’ll explain why).

Let’s say people in the US can make widgets for $10 and sell them for $12 and have a viable business. But mean old foreign country can make widgets for $5 and sell them for $7 and have a viable business. The foreign country sells the people of the US widgets for $7, which is great if you live in the US and want to buy a widget but sucks if you live in the US and want to make a widget.

Tariffs are supposed to protect local businesses by making foreign goods less competitive. Let’s say we pass a law putting a $10 tariff on foreign widgets. I used to import widgets from foreign country and pay the manufacturer $5 per widget and sell them to Americans for $7. Now when I import the widget from the foreign country I still pay the manufacturer $5 per widget but now I have to pay the US government a tariff of $10 per widget. Each imported widget now costs me $15 and so I have to sell them for $17 to make a profit. This now means that American made widgets are competitive again, the locally made $12 widget is a great deal compared to the $17 imported one. Great if you are a US widget maker and shitty if you are a US widget buyer.

Now you might notice the people in the US buying widgets, even in the best fantasy scenario, end up getting dicked over. The theory goes that widget making jobs are good though and if we do that enough then everyone will have to pay more for goods but we will have lots of jobs making stuff that pay ok.

Now here’s the part that really, really sucks. Let’s say you are a US widget maker and now you know that your foreign competition can’t make a widget for less than $17. You could sell your widgets for $12 and have a viable business or you could sell them for $16.99 and have a super profitable business. I’ll just gesture broadly at the sea of corporate greed we find ourselves floating in and let you decide which is more likely.

Tariffs induce even local manufacturers to raise prices because it hurts competition. It’s basically a massive transfer of wealth from local consumers to local producers by cutting out the foreign producers and the competitive pressure they exert on the market. This is why basically every economist said “do this and kill the economy”

So why do people want tariffs? Well the promise for your average voter is that the tariffs are going to bring back good solid blue collar jobs. You can go work in a factory and pump out widgets and get a nice middle class paycheck. It’s a nice sales pitch and a lot of people would really want that to be true. I suspect though that the manufacturers will automate most of this work and pocket the profits, again, gestures broadly at the late stage capitalism hellscape all around us.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 172 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

there's one layer missing, which is that the US widget makers make their widgets from ingredients and components that don't exist in the US, if you put a tarrif on everything, you can't make a $12 US widget any more because widget juice now costs twice as much

[-] immutable@lemm.ee 128 points 9 months ago

Excellent point and kudos to you for knowing that widgets are juiced based.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 13 points 9 months ago

you can’t male a $12 US widget any more because widget juice now costs twice as much

At my job, I turn $20 of raw material into 25 pieces I sell for $16 each. Double my material costs, and to break even, I have to make another $20 from the sale of those 25 pieces. I have to charge $16.80 instead of $16.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 22 points 9 months ago

it depends on what you make. Margins on food, farming, automobiles, oil and gas, medical devices tend to be pretty small, comparatively speaking. Which are all fairly critical industries.

[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

Also : what does the government plan to do with all this new tax money?

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 33 points 9 months ago

Since they're about to let go all of these gov employees, they will need a lot of money to hire consulting companies for pretty much everything. That's what started happening in France and Canada already.

These private companies consultants are so much more efficient and cheaper than low paid gov employees who've been running the ship for decades. You totally believe it, right?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 9 months ago

Oh and don't look behind the curtain, it's definitely not Musk or someone similar who owns the consultant companies they happen to use federal funds on, nor do they just so happened to be big donors to Our Lord and Savior Trump™

No no no, that would be corruption to the core and we all know the incoming administration is comprised of all the Paragons of Virtue™ our society has to offer.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Build another wall?

EDIT: Silly me. It's for tax cuts to the rich. Of course.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

They'll do fuck all with my money because I'll be spending as little as fucking possible for the foreseeable future. Learning to sew to fix holes in old clothes instead of buying new ones, taking public transit a lot more (deeply discounted on account of my autism!), getting back into cooking, donating time in my community for the feel good chemicals instead of buying whatzits, and still giving the middle finger to winter ~~peer~~ family pressure gift giving holidays.

[-] TheDeadHorse@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Let's wait and see the budget before we pretend that there will be tax income.

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