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[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

True in many cases, but there were wars before there was capitalism.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

And in those times the causes were things like feudalism.

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

The problem is and always was the power structure and the greed of those at the top of it. It had many different names and forms during history.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Not all economic structures reward the same pursuits. Capitalism, as an example, naturally selects for those who can accumulate the most and discards the rest, and this process has been the source of countless wars.

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

I agree with your comment, but I didn't talk about economic structures, but rather about how power is distributed in a society. That is closely connected to the economic structure, sure. But for example the Soviet Union was state socialism and started enough wars themselves. Also not because the workers wanted it, but those in power did.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

The Soviet Union acted in its own interests, of course, but the wars it helped were largely those of national liberation from Colonialism, such as in Algeria or Palestine. That's why it is important to understand economic basis.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

That's describing capitalism, where profit maximization is systemically required for one to fulfill their role at "the top" and monopoly is the best way to increase profits.

Historically, "greed" was not the main characteristic of the ruling class. They did not exist under capitalism. Money itself often meant little. Land, a military, prestige, yes. But money fir money's sake was officially frowned upon and generally left to the clergy to handle the hypocrisy.

[-] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Greed was meant not only as greed for money but greed for power in general. Money itself is worthless, only its substitution for power is why it's important in the first place.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Under capitalism, profit maximization is necessary for the company you own to survive. You cannot be a "nice capitalist", at least not for long. A person that is nice will have to conform their behavior to maximize profits anyways.

This dynamic does not exist in other systems, where your class membership makes you a relentless recursive tool of the market.

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