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So there's a ton of countries that I've heard have had truly unaffordable housing for decades, like:

  • The UK
  • Ireland
  • The Netherlands

And I've heard of a ton of countries where the cost of houses was until recently quite affordable where it's also started getting worse:

  • Germany
  • Poland
  • Czechia
  • Hungary
  • The US
  • Australia
  • Canada
  • And I'm sure plenty others
  1. It seems to be a pan-Western bloc thing. Is the cause in all these countries the same?
  2. We've heard of success stories in cities like Vienna where much of the housing stock is municipally owned – but those cities have had it that way for decades. Would their system alleviate the current crisis if established in the aforementioned countries?
  3. What specific policies should I be demanding of our politicians to make housing affordable again? Is there any silver bullet? Has any country demonstrably managed to reverse this crisis yet?
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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago

Finland only has approximately 1000 willfully homeless people. I'd call that solving the crisis.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

They also have a relatively small monocultural population and really cold winters.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

True, but they could just decide to ignore homeless people like most of the US and other capitalist countries have, but they didn't.

[-] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

If they did ignore it, by spring there would be less homelessness.

[-] Bender@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

How does having a monocultural population make housing easier?

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

one of the main reasons people are against state housing is because people with the wrong skin color might get it

[-] Bender@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was going to let him say something obtusely racist and then roast him, but this works too.

EDIT: He did it anyway.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

They literally can't help themselves

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago

It’s not always quite so clear-cut racist. Often it’s more about social norms and food choices. When everyone shares an insular culture, it’s easier to live near each other without having to be actively tolerant of people’s differences. And the social nets that ARE set up are more likely to work for people with a shared cultural background.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

I'm sorry, food choices? Are you literally making a "but they smell" argument?

[-] Bender@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Hot take: blatant racism and veiled racism are equally bad reasons for a country to have poor housing policy.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I’m pretty sure ALL reasons are bad reasons? It doesn’t stop humans from generally being racist when it comes to housing. Which is a shame; you grow a lot more as a person when you live next to people from other cultures.

[-] Bender@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Right. So in other words, we should just implement Finland's social housing model everywhere.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Shut uppppp. I live in a building that has a lot of immigrants (mostly students) and we get along just fine. That "oh I'm not racist, different cultures just can't fit together" argument is bullshit, and even if people from different cultures don't get along too well, it's still better than them being outside when it's -20 degrees.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

It doesn't, that's just a bullshit, half baked "argument" people like to use when someone points out to them that Scandinavian nations have figured most of this shit out already.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As a Finn, please stop talking about us as some kind of utopia. We haven't solved shit and our government is infested with fascists. I'm preeetty sure there are a lot more than that out there, unless a quarter of those 1000 happen to be around my morning commute.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

That's good to hear, although it's kinda beyond the scope of my question. I'm asking more about how to stop prices rising when they've suddenly started quickly rising and people don't know why.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

But Finland only has like 2000 people. /s

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah I was going to say Finland. Their public housing system should be an example for other nations to follow.

They won't, of course...

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