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[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 44 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It's kinda shitty, but after reading the other links in the post I can't say it's very surprising.

Bottles devs seem weirdly hostile to the idea of anyone repackaging their software, because apparently they're the only ones that are able to do it properly.

edit: devs also refuse bug reports from any version that's not Flatpak, so in this context removing the button doesn't seem that unreasonable.

edit2: now that I've had a closer look at the PR mentioned in the post I'm not surprised at all.
Bottles devs are actively hostile. Apparently with this PR it's impossible to run Bottles outside Flatpak without the package maintainers patching the code.

[-] DoeJohn@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago

There is an entire post from the devs on why Bottles is packaged the way it is. [https://usebottles.com/posts/2022-06-07-an-open-letter/]. If you put yourself in the developers' position, it's actually understandable. Distributions ship Bottles package filled with issues or straight up borked, users turn their frustrations to the Bottles developers instead of package maintainers, devs get frustrated and bombarded with issues that they can't fixed. A ton of time, effort and mental health is wasted. I think the wishes of devs should be respected, even though the software is open source and you CAN package it however you'd like.

[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 hours ago

Actively resisting packaging is not the way, tho. You can just require an issue to be reproducible with flatpak, and otherwise tell ppl to bother the maintainer.

[-] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

That's a lot if communication for someone that's working for free.

[-] 0x0@programming.dev 20 points 4 hours ago

That's a disclaimer in the bug submission page.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 hours ago

They take donations, that's not free.

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 hours ago

I don't think it's understandable in this case, no.

The entire project depends on Wine, imagine if Wine devs restricted Bottles in what way they are allowed to use it just because Wine project doesn't want to deal with bugs potentially introduced by the Bottles dev.

But they won't, because of the license.
And neither can the Bottles devs.

If they want to have total control over their source code, fine, but then they cannot claim to be open-source and release it under GPL.

[-] DoeJohn@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

just because Wine project doesn’t want to deal with bugs potentially introduced by the Bottles dev.

If you have issue with Bottles, you don't immediately go to the Wine bug tracker. If you have issue with packaged Bottles, you immediately go to the Bottles bug tracker. There is clearly a big difference.

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 hours ago

Yes, and another big difference is that Bottles refuses to provide any kind of help to package maintainers.
According to maintainers' comments on the Github project, they have to figure out how to build it by trial and error.

I was actually really surprised that there's isn't any kind of build documentation.
It's pretty unusual.

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