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EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force
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tell me you've never interacted or looked into the legal system without telling me you never interacted with or looked into how the legal system works.
the lawsuits don't need to be reasonable just make filing the suit and then dragging it out as much as possible is effective enough.
Don't get me wrong I like the standardization towards USB-C. but ignoring the implications of laws like this and how they can be abused is silly.
Okay so firstly that's not true. If a lawsuit isn't reasonable it can be filed but it won't make it to court. The courts are backed up enough, they don't want their time wasting with irrelevant nonsense.
Secondly even if that was the case it wouldn't make any difference because you could also sue companies for not following rules.
Thirdly please look up the actual law. There's no requirement to use a particular port you simply have to include whatever the currently recommended standard is, if the recommended standard changes the law changes automatically without any lawmakers needing to do anything.
yes it can and will. someone hasnt been paying attention to literally the entire trump presidency and general behavior of republican AGs i see. How much time was wasted in courts on the election steal nonsense. All you need is to find a judge who will hear the case and you can bribe one for that. Now obviously that example doesn't directly apply to the EU but im sure if i go looking I'll find examples of everything i've said in EU jurisdictions.
remember the issue here is the money that is wasted on lawyers and courts preventing low capital groups from getting traction. they literally wouldnt have the money to do that.
The behavior i'm describing is a extremely well known strategy. It comes in a number of forms.
I did look up the law and I'm aware of this. Please learn some ability to connect the dots. developing a new standard -> costs money. ensuring the new standard is interoperable with the old one such that it can do this -> costs money. low capital groups lack money. Therefor by definition there will be a chilling effect on new development due to this law.
Finally, Im in favor of this law. I just don't deny the side effects it will have and how it'll potentially be abused by companies. The only way it doesnt have the effect I've described is if it carves out exceptions for individuals and small revenue companies.
Wow you are arrogant without any justification to be so.
What the hell has your weird president got to do with European Union law. The United States isn't even affected by this law, Apple could if they wanted continue to use lightning cable in the United States. They won't of course because that doesn't make economic sense but that's not the European union's problem that's apples.
In Europe you cannot sue someone just because you feel like it, the courts won't allow the case to go forward if it has no merit.
The fact that you claim to have done research on this law is laughable, since you haven't even noticed what countries it applies to.
If that was actually how the legal system works (which it’s not, you need standing), then this law wouldn’t matter anyways because you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.
this is literally what happens today, all the fing time. examples of it as a legal strategy appear all over the place.
I've addressed the 'standing' nonsense in plenty of places. standing isn't a thing that is set in stone. examples of lack of standing cases going to court and case that should have standing being denied are everywhere. you just need to find a willing judge either ideologically or bribable.
off the top of my head: student loan relief was challenged by companies who managed the payments process as contractors for the government, widely agreed upon by legal experts to not actually have standing. cases involving abortion being tossed out due to lack of standing due to the birth or death of the fetus. Obviously US examples, but if i bothered looking into the EU id find examples there too.
SLAPPs are a problem in the EU, but not to the same degree as in the US. Unlike the US, there are bloc-wide rules protecting against them that saw the number of cases decrease this year. You’d have a stronger argument if you based this on the EU instead of just assuming that it’s a carbon copy of the US.
I literally said the environments are different. please read. What my entire point is about is that these problems are systemic and unsolvable due to human nature. SLAPPs were just a single example of the systemic issue. The primary way (IIRC) the EU addressed SLAPPs is by allowing for financial recovery for the defendant from the accuser after winning the case, this is only useful if the defendant can actually afford to run the trial to completion.
You literally cannot have a legal system that prevents the point I'm making because if you did you'd have a legal system that prevents redressing actual harm, which is fundamentally the point of a functioning legal system.
Any system that presupposes no harm is being done and rejects cases out of hand will result in unaddressed harms. Any system that actually prevents harm must have a way for a party to prove their position of harm being done. Any system that allows for a party to prove their position of harm inherently allows for the system to be abused by parties who can sink money into forcing discovery, etc.
These are just facts about the legal system that literally cannot be avoided no matter how much you try to hand wave them away with nonsense about 'standing' or trying to assert one geopolitical area vs another.
Either you have a legal system that allows for redressing harm or you have a legal system that is for punishment and protecting the state (i.e. were sovereign immunity comes from).
Since ostensibly both judicial systems in this conversation allow for a discovery phase, which often is incredibly expensive for the defending party, my original point stands that these types of laws can be abused to financially drain competition.
Again I have nothing against this law in particular beyond the problems inherent in such a policy. which in this case are minor and would not prevent me from supporting it in general; but we should be aware of the harm potential.