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Removal of piracy communities (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were:

We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world's users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it.

This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities.

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

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[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

So, in order to subscribe to those communities I should create another account in a different instance that either has them or is federated with them, right….? Any workaround for that? This sounds like it’s going to be a real chore to follow and will push a lot of people out of lemmy in general

[-] Zomg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

So that many people pirate? I think LW will be okay, don't kid yourself

[-] Piers@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Also... Exactly how much of a contribution are we losing from people who care deeply enough about piracy to want to leave Lemmy as a whole rather than make a tiny amount of effort.

Like... If they aren't people who want to pay for things or put any personal energy into them... How will we notice they have gone?

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

With https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim, it's 3 clicks

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lemmy.world doesn't owe you anything, they don't benefit from additional users, and they're definitely not obligated to put themselves in legal jeopardy to keep you around.

[-] Name021@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Edit: I welcome your silent and cowardly downvotes. They shine as my honor 🙂

If this isn't a Redditor moment I don't know what is

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Haha yeah, maybe so. All I'm trying to say is, if there's a community of people so childish that they're going to oppose this announcement with this much vigor, then I'd rather they be opposing me, too.

[-] Belkor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Says the child.

[-] ProfoundNinja@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The poster didn't mention anything about LW owing us anything or if they're obligated to users in any way.

I appreciate LW, and i understand their stance on piracy. But I'm also interested in how we regular users can easily find servers that are more flexible with their policies.

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

This whole conversation is getting me legitimately frustrated. The unmitigated gall to say that creating an account somewhere else is "a real chore" when speaking to a group of people who are running this place for free and making it available to him, for free, is staggering. Maybe it's just a lack of understanding or caring how much work it takes. I've done stuff like this before, it's not simple. Probably if Antik were doing what he does for lemmy.world at a job, he'd be making six figures at that job. It's fine and nothing wrong with them choosing to contribute that, but going to their server and then shitting all over them for not doing it the way you want them to, in a scenario like this where all they're trying to do is protect themselves legally, is an incredibly entitled, childish, rude, selfish, and ultimately destructive thing to do.

It's very different from reddit running their business, screwing the users because it's not about the users, and people getting upset with them. There are no investors here, there is no IPO or marketing budget. It's just some people deciding to host a service they think is important, and you're coming on here whining about how they need to do what you say, even if it puts them in legal danger, and if they don't you'll go somewhere else. Okay, sounds good. Go.

You are correct that Railcar8095 didn't explicitly say that lemmy.world owed him the hosting of this pirated content. He just made vague passive-aggressive statements which implied it, with threats to no longer bless the admins by consuming resources they were choosing to make freely available to him, if his requirements weren't met.

right….? Any workaround for that? This sounds like it’s going to be a real chore

Staggering.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 1 year ago

You are correct that Railcar8095 didn’t explicitly say that lemmy.world owed him the hosting of this pirated content. He just made vague passive-aggressive statements which implied it, with threats to no longer bless the admins by consuming resources they were choosing to make freely available to him, if his requirements weren’t met.

I agree with you, but I guess we now have the proofs that the assumed "nicer community" on Lemmy is not that completely nice overall.

You made a lot of good points, I guess people just don't understand (or want to) what it takes to manage such a server.

[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I think that's a lot of it. The internet being made of free services for so long has created this sort of "I sit on my ass and the internet is supposed to all come to me and if I don't like something I'm going to demand to speak to the manager" mentality. That's fine for some things, but on a community-run server where people have no clue the level of work and the generosity being put in by the people they're talking to, it genuinely pisses me off.

I actually don't really care about Lemmy people being nice; I was a big fan as of two months ago because it was full of weirdos and tankies and creative people being genuine about their weird cantankerous ways. Now it seems like the people whose heads are just filled with wet newspaper are here in force, and it makes me sad.

[-] ProfoundNinja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Appreciate your response.

And i don't mean to be daft. But I don't know where to start to find somewhere if any that suits me better than LW.

And that is a problem with something as decentralised as Lemmy is, to be a reddit competitor The layman has too many options and won't seek a server that might suit them better. LW was a good starting point for me, I will probably look around for a server that isn't as risk averse, but not everyone would.