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California enslaves 400 prisoners to fight wildfires.
(www.theguardian.com)
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Not to mention other things like, is it actually true that most prisoners would want to get put in a life threatening situation?
And why are we not acknowledging that the US regime gives prisoners these "choices": go outside and die for the state, work on our prison farms, get contracted out to private companies, or stare at a wall in a cell. Truly an evil empire that should not be apologized for.
It's worse. If the basic prisonfood is insufficient, which is common. prisoners need to work to buy more nutritional meals. Or they can risk getting sick and dying, whichever.
At least three incarcerated fireghters died between 2017 and 2020. That same article says there were 1,760 incarcerated firefighters working in July 2023. Non-incarcerated firefighters also risk death; here's two firefighters and a pilot who died in a helicopter crash, also from 2023. Quadrupling the known death rate among incarcerated workers gets us to 170 deaths per 100,000 workers. That's well below everything on this table besides "office and administrative support."
We rightly clown on cops for exaggerating how dangerous their jobs are. We are doing the same thing when we characterize this program as "go out and die for the state" or (as another commenter said) compare it to gladiators.
We don't need exaggerations to make the case for socialism, and exaggerating only hurts us. We're seeing that in this thread, where we're dogpiling people for agreeing that prison slavery exists in the U.S. but arguing that we are stretching that definition to the breaking point. Why are we fighting people who largely agree with us already?
Well how would you suggest we deal with people who harm other people? If you can't put them in a cell, and you can't make them work, and you can't teach them to be wilderness firefighters and have them perform those duties, then what do you propose?
There aren't many countries that employ slave labor like the US. You think they're the rule but they're the exception. Just because the US enslaves their prisoners doesn't mean most other countries do too.
Here's your very obvious answer. Instead of enslaving people, we could not do that.
Most of them should never have been put in the carceral system in the first place.
That's avoiding the question and changing the subject though. I don't disagree with you on this point. But many of them do deserve to be there, my friend included, so how do you propose they're dealt with given the limitations you've placed on the system? What does your prison look like?
Edit: I just realized you're not the person who I was replying to originally, so I apologize for saying "you said".
Given your history, I have my doubts that your friend is real, and one doesn’t need a holistic crime reduction plan in order to be anti-slavery.
You know nothing about me, let alone "my history". That's also what I suspected, you have no proposed solutions, only complaints. You can't support your own argument, so instead you attacked me. I'm not pro-slavery, dufus, I'm acknowledging that fire camp is a good program for dealing with criminals, many of whom have hurt people and society, while also providing them with an opportunity to learn job skills, and work outside. For the record I'm opposed to the vast majority of the US prison system, especially the length of confinement.
That’s good to hear.