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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 year ago

The paradox of tolerance is real, and not all things are equal.

If you allow a group that wants to murder to organize, they will eventually murder.

Banning genocide enthusiast groups doesn't mean you also have to ban bird watchers.

[-] FadoraNinja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I agree, but given that police have tried to charge Cop City protesters with terrorism we need to be really careful and scrutinize any new laws designed to stop these groups and how it may be intentionally or unintentionally harmful to littigamate activism and protest.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

That's a reasonable point.

Writing good laws is difficult.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can we learn to discern between legitimate uses of a term and illegitimate ones? Can we accept it's okay to call hate groups terrorists while their protesters are not? Can we accept reality for what it is?

[-] FadoraNinja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We can. Our justice system and politics on the other hand seems hell bent not to.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

This is why I'm generally very cautious about suggesting new laws to limit behaviour, and am more supportive of private action (e.g., companies firing Nazis rather than criminalizing being a Nazi). People that are left of center tend to forget that people that are right of center are often able to use the exact same laws written by those on the left to suppress progressive views.

All of this ends up being a double-edged sword. You need to think of every possible way that a law could be misapplied, or can unintentionally cause harm, before moving forward. Because someone is going to intentionally misapply it for personal or political advantage.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

No it's not. The whole point of the tolerance nonsense is to silence racists while allowing minority groups to thrive. There's nothing hypocritical about it and the fact that people think there is indicates a flaw in their thinking, not tolerance.

[-] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

It's not about what groups you ban in the beginning. It's about the groups they'll ban when your particular party is out of power.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I already know my politics will make me a target under fascism. It's one of the reasons I'm so adamantly against it. It's not just repugnant; I'm also the enemy. I say fight them hard because wresting control back from them will be far more difficult because of what they will do to entrench themselves if they gain power.

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