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[-] lelgenio@lemmy.ml 68 points 2 months ago

Q: what does apt install firefox do? Surely it uses apt to install Firefox, right???? A: The command gets highjacked by snap, which promptly crashed and hangs.

Ran into this just a few hours ago, made the mistake of suggesting Ubuntu as a sane default (instead of debian or something else), never making that mistake again hopefully.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mint fixes that. Based on Ubuntu, it intentionally disables Snap, and all apt commands actually use apt.

Or yes, just straight up use Debian if you don't mind older apps outside Flatpaks.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Except I just uninstalled Mint's default Firefox because whatever additional theming they did to my boy fucked up the right click context menu. FF is now flatpak.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure Mozilla encourages use of the flatpak. Flatpak FF is definitely the way to go.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Firefox isn't in the repos of Debian, so any derivative (derivative (derivative)) distro must deal with that in some way.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

You can also install Linux Mint Debian Edition which isn't based on Ubuntu at all.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago

Note that on the negative side it inherits most of the issues of Debian, including extremely old packages.

Also, Debian 12 finally got very user-friendly enough to the point I would recommend it over LMDE.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

That's true, but if you want you can change to testing repos. I still prefer it over vanilla Debian due to polish. I find even using Cinnamon DE in Debian it's just rougher around the edges than Mint.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

Fair enough - if you're a fan of Cinnamon, LMDE will always be a bit more polished. I can see your use case :)

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is the way. Debian net install. Or even better, boot over iPXE, ephemeral kernel in RAM with only backups and static binaries written to disk. Snapshotting handled by BTRFS

[-] anzo@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

LMDE, Linux Mint Debian Edition was my goto for a long time.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm interested in what made you choose LMDE over stock Debian

Is it because you found the UI more convenient and organized? Or was it before Debian 12 and you wanted to avoid technical difficulties with nonfree software?

[-] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, this was around the time they first released it. Back then I had issues with downloading and installing Debian, regardless of drivers. I was inexperienced, and was using Mint (ubuntu-based) already, so the UI (gtk2, mate) was a huge plus for my restricted specs (a netbook)

[-] Doxin@pawb.social 0 points 2 months ago

Use debian testing if you want up-to-date software. The name implies it's unstable, but it's really not. Debian stable absurdly stable, and debian testing is regular stable.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

True, but if something's actually wrong, you'll have less support with that. But I know many people run it without major issues.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What does apt install firefox do in Debian?

package »firefox« has no installation candidate

Firefox isn't in Debian's repository, cause it moves too fast for Debian's release cycle and is too complicated for their security team.
Debian instead offers firefox-esr
Ubuntu instead offers firefox snap

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