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NASA climatologist James Hansen testified to Congress in 1988 and the UN formed the IPCC that same year.
The atmosphere was still at a very safe and very reasonable 350 ppm (pre-industrial normal was 280-300 ppm), so all the emissions up to 1988 could be ignored if we had just taken action after 1988.
Since then, we fucked up. And we primarily fucked up by stopping the transition to cheap nuclear power that was already well underway, because we got scared of it after 1987 (Chernobyl).
If we had ignored those fears and listened to James Hansen, we probably could have kept CO2 below 400. It's now 420.
This is not what happened. Takes like this, that oversimplify and make things seem inevitable aren't very helpful.
For decades before 1988 and for decades after, people have advocated for the environment. The shift to an understanding that we can have an impact on our planet has been slow and hard-won. Don't pretend like one person or one hearing or one technology could have prevented all this - that's just not true.
You may be upset that nuclear wasn't or isn't used more, but it doesn't really matter at this point - we are here, and we have really inexpensive and seemingly low impact technologies like solar and wind with battery or other types of storage. Plus, we can now have a more distributed grid with installs right in people's homes.
Move past whatever has you hung up on nuclear, there's lots of other ways to have a positive impact on our environmental future.
No, ignorant takes like yours are the real problem. We still can't solve climate change without nuclear power, it's simple math, physics and economics.
All the models we have show that we need a huge expansion of nuclear power, even if solar and wind growth fits the most optimistic curve we can think of.
If there was a way to solve climate change without it, I would be more optimistic about the future.
But there are too many ignorant people who can't even do basic math.
Is this Reddit?! (Looks up at title bar in confusion.)
No.....well, this is odd.
Just ignore him.
Truth is, you both are right. Everyone who can afford it should have solar panels or wind turbines put on their homes so we have a decentralized, people-powered power network in case the power plants brown out during heat waves, which they will.
We need nuclear plants to serve as a baseline power source so we still get energy at night, or on cloudy or rainy days, or when the wind doesn't blow.
Por que no los dos?
Oh, there was nothing wrong with the gist of what they said, it was the personal commentary at the beginning that was unneeded. If they had skipped that then their point would have been likely considered more thoughtfully by those reading.
I don't see why anyone should care honestly. Everyone is an asshole on the Internet. What's key is remembering they have no actual power over you.
Carter had a hugely ambitious plan to build solar power satellites to wean us off both of them. He didn't like nukes and he was a nuclear physicist.
Nobody likes nuclear, but it's less bad than terraforming our own planet.
Except he was in a position to push nuclear instead of a cockamamie scheme where you need to launch hundreds of rockets that are 10x the size of the Saturn V over the course of years to build solar farms the size of Manhattan.
A man who once had radioactive piss from a nuclear accident chose that over nukes.
Governments are starting to experiment with SSPSes so we'll likely see those start to replace coal too.