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[Article] ‘Evil must not win’ — how Ukraine’s female partisans resist Russian occupation
(kyivindependent.com)
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Maybe those people are there to create a picture for you. Now that USAID and similar projects are stopping, we might see less of those.
You all look at this literally as battle of good vs evil, the reality: ukraine beats, kidnaps and tortures people to send them to meat grinder, while russia stopped forced conscription and pays 22k$ to motivate their conscripts. The propaganda image of ukraine as good or democratic is absurd. It's just a meat shield of west at best, and it rapidly becomes more and more inefficient.
If you want to check current ukrainian inside discourse, watch independent ukrainian bloggers, a few for a start:
Or, maybe you're there to create a picture for me. I didn't say it, you did.
I know the Ukrainian woman whose son was a client of mine for a while would have some pretty harsh words for you. I knew her for a while, and one day said one thing in support for the war, and it was like this outpouring came out of her of appreciation for it and support for Ukraine.
I don't really know the Ukrainian guy in my gaming group well enough to know where he stands on the war. We've talked about it, just a small amount. He definitely didn't say he was afraid of being tortured by the Ukrainian government, I'll say that.
Before the war, I actually kind of liked the Russian people I knew, on a personal level. I still do, I guess, although unrelated events have meant we don't really see each other now. Their mentality is pretty similar to mine, weirdly enough.
You're saying all this shit to me about USAID creating a picture for me, when you have no idea how I form my pictures. You conveniently excised the other part that came before "and on social media," which I had put there for a very specific reason.
Man, get the fuck out. I didn't say "evil," the people whose country is being invaded said that. Sounds pretty right to me.
You sure are trying hard to talk up Russia, for someone who lives in Kyiv. Keep saying bullshit. I welcome it, let's talk.
Women and ukrainians who live outside of Ukraine, especially those who left before May 2024, have a very different mental image of Ukraine. For me the main turning point is the scale of unlawful forced conscription really. Simple as that. I stopped paying taxes, stopped donating, and stopped mentally supporting Ukraine. I just care for borders to open at this point. Both Ukraine and Russia are hopeless corrupt evil dictatorships to me.
Sounds like you should get the fuck out. People are dying to keep your apartment building safe, and you're there trashing them because they're short of people, while you're not helping them.
Maybe when your savings run out you could go for that $22k. It sounds like that's really important to you. You keep bringing it up.
I do like that you've abandoned the effort to paint Russia as some improvement in individual human rights, and just gone with the "they're both hopeless corrupt evil" brand of cynicism. That's definitely going to be more believable than "Russia is better, I'm only here because I can't leave."
Just open the borders and there's no need to protect me personally.
I'm not trashing ukrainian soldiers. Conscription officers are not soldiers and never were. Neither are politicians.
It's just that russians lives now supposedly valued way more than ukrainians while it was part of propaganda that russian lives worth nothing and ukrainians are part of civilized world and share its values.
You said:
"Military is terribly mismanaged"
"terrible mismanagement at battlefields or corruption"
"they only leech help from west and sacrifice people unwilling to fight in return without even trying to win"
"US/EU giving money to Ukraine is basically sponsoring kidnapping/torturing/killing people who don’t want to fight"
As well as on top of:
"sorry girls, that’s all cool and I like the vibe, but I’m not going to fight for you"
"it’s not like they can’t go to Ukraine-controlled territories and mobilize there and go to the frontlines if they really care for this country so much"
I've pretty much decided you can get fucked.
Military commandment is very bad. A lot of soldiers escape from there (AWOL/deserting), everybody is talking about this, even the most patriotic bloggers that oppose ceasefires etc.
How are regular ukrainian soldiers responsible for any of this? It's the fault of our corrupt government. Most soldiers are also very unhappy with this mismanagement and and ask to not send people who will most likely desert from battlefield to their brigades.
Sure because that whole article is bullshit propaganda by people who will never have to fight in war themselves. Is it even moral to be allowed to have a voice in question of whether to continue the war when they aren't even subject to conscription?
Like I said: If the military command was bad, Ukraine would have lost the war by now.
You're avoiding fighting in the war. I will be perfectly willing to protect your right to speak on it, I guess, to "have a voice" as you put it. But I think under the system you propose, you'd be required to shut up and say nothing well before a group of partisans who are taking an active part in resisting the occupation. If you're actively avoiding requirements to fight for Ukraine, why should you be "allowed" (in your system) to speak on their behalf?
I agree. I wanted to say it's kind of immoral to write that propaganda when you're not even fighting yourself. And it's twice as immoral when you know that no one wants to fight anymore and people are forced against their will. Not that something should be banned.
Do you know how effective military forces are, when people are fighting against their will?
What's your explanation for why Russia outnumbers Ukraine about 20-to-1, is outspending them by about 10-to-1, and is stalled about 100 km from the border, after three years of fighting?
Also, it's 68196-65871=2325 km since September 3.
Idk where you get that from, you can check the map that is updated every day here: https://deepstatemap.live I just checked total occupied territory month ago and today and it's 68196-67889=307 km in a month.
km, not km². The red part at the eastern edge of Ukraine is about 100 km thick.
My point is that that's an incredibly poor showing for Russia fighting against a massively outnumbered enemy that's mismanaging a war fought by people who don't want to fight. And, on top of that, they have people giving advice to NATO and the EU about how they should organize their militaries, as if they have a bunch of authority and insight as to how to do it. What's your explanation?
They can't efficiently extend frontline "into the depth" (km) because it leads to "cauldrons", so they extend it along all the border.
It took 2 absurd failing counteroffensives to wipe all willing soldiers and forced conscription started just half of year ago, and everything was on rapid decline since then. It doesn't all happen overnight.
The truth about situation in Ukraine is, as usual, somewhere between the two extremes. It's definitely not as bad as russia - there are rumors of men getting forcefully drafted in some places - but I don't know anyone personally who had gone through that. We're all scared and tired, and the shitshow that's going on in the West is not helping keep our hopes up.
And yet we persist, because the only other choice is to lie down and stop breathing.
Yeah, I get that. You'll notice I didn't tell that other guy that reports of harsh forced conscription are definitely not true. Some of what he's saying is clearly total bullshit ("Both Ukraine and Russia are hopeless corrupt evil dictatorships" "ukraine beats, kidnaps and tortures people to send them to meat grinder" "a worse dictatorship than russia is"). Some is clearly based on truth or has some accuracy to it (harsh conscription "a meat shield of west" "nobody wants to fight anymore").
I cannot even imagine trying to fight for my life with the level of apathy, inconsistency, incompetence, and bumbling that's gone on from the West in general in its support for Ukraine. It's a fucking crime. I like that Zelensky doesn't sugarcoat it all that much. He gave an interview with the AP a few days ago where he said as much. More or less, "Yes, we got about $77 billion, of course I'm grateful, it's wonderful, but it was all too late, all with 'red line' conditions that mean we can't really fight, all with all this money and materiel going missing sometimes or we don't know where it went, all overblown in its impact CAN YOU GUYS JUST FUCKING HELP US... we are fighting the enemy you would be fighting, if not for us being in the way." That's not the words but that was the overall vibe.
Like I say, I can't even imagine. And three years of nonstop war will break anyone down. And now it's going to get worse. Trump hasn't even really had time to get started on fucking things up. I hope you can keep safe.
Pretty much, yeah. I wish for you safety and better things.
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I like this one:
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