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[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 12 hours ago

this will happen sooner or later regardless.

EU should allocate more spending on their military so that when the day comes, they will have more than enough professional soldiers to fight Russia and have no need to mobilize civilians. If EU was one country it would be hard, but when there is NATO, contract soldiers from many NATO states might be enough without additional conscripts.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

And why should EU do that for your sake, when you no longer give a shit about your own country?

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 12 hours ago

Ask him why he thinks NATO uses the "contract soldier" vs "conscripts" distinction, or where he got that mental model from to use it habitually. That's not how Ukraine does it, is it? Or is it? Presumably most Ukrainians would know that it's specific to Russia instead of assuming everyone does it that way, right?

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 hours ago

That’s not how Ukraine does it, is it?

It is how Ukraine does it, too. Currently I don't think you can go for contract when you already have to be mobilized according to databases (on "Wanted" list in apps like "Reserve+" or "Dija"). And payment is laughable anyway. It would be really easy to boost morale if government decided to end forced conscription and paid to volunteers more than russia does. And it also could probably help to stabilize the frontlines. Given how much they steal I'm pretty sure they have more than enough money to pay more than russians 22k$ to volunteers as a single-time payment.

why he thinks NATO uses the “contract soldier” vs “conscripts” distinction

Too bad if they doesn't. What they gonna do when the time comes. In EU conscious objection is supposed to work, so people can decline en masse (did you know that includes personal beliefs, not necessarily religion?). They'd better start using that distinction asap and consider soldier as a full-time work even in peace time. So that enough people will be paid to be soldiers like a job but in case of war they and only they will go fight and no one else.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 9 hours ago

Why would they need soldiers "when the time comes" / "when the day comes"? I thought Ukraine was a lot more evil dictatorship than Russia. Aren't you looking forward to peace? Wouldn't it be nicer to have Russia on their borders, with open borders and free media, and finally put an end to the corruption of Ukraine? You said you were looking forward to the Russian military rolling over Kyiv, and then you could leave under the auspices of Russia's more friendly government. Right?

I'm mostly done talking, I'm just fucking with you I guess for my own amusement. It was enlightening though. Thanks for the insight.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Why would they need soldiers “when the time comes” / “when the day comes”? I thought Ukraine was a lot more evil dictatorship than Russia. Aren’t you looking forward to peace? Wouldn’t it be nicer to have Russia on their borders, with open borders and free media, and finally put an end to the corruption of Ukraine? You said you were looking forward to the Russian military rolling over Kyiv, and then you could leave under the auspices of Russia’s more friendly government. Right?

I don't understand where do you see any paradox in that. Yes I'm looking forward to peace for Ukraine. Yes, I think it will be possible to leave the country in case of peace deal or if Ukraine falls. Yes, I consider it possible for Russia to continue and attack EU states eventually. Do you think I'm telling NATO to come fight for Ukraine or something? That would be neat, but that's obviously not going to happen.

and then you could leave under the auspices of Russia’s more friendly government

It's not that they are kind, they just less absurd and at least don't sabotage their own economy and morale as hard as ukrainian government does.

[-] Ciralinde@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 12 hours ago

Sorry, what? How is EU allocating money to defend themselves from Russia is for my sake? That's for the sake of their own people. They should watch closely what it does to people morale here in Ukraine when civilians are forcefully conscripted and try hard to make sure they never have to do the same to their civilians.

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