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Trump berates Danish PM over Greenland in ‘horrendous’ phone call
(www.thetimes.com)
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I like to think people are reasonable enough to separate the politician from the citizens.
I'm in the US, I voted against Trump, I'm likely going to suffer if he is able to accomplish a smidgen of what he has talked about, and I think we got what we deserved and the sentiment from your OP is valid. I know a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, but this is a country of very selfish people. Even some of the most liberal people I have met in this country still have a very selfish mindset and reason for the liberal bent. As soon as they attain a position where they have an advantage they basically pull up the ladder. I'm personally tired of it.
People are going to die, ecosystems are going to burn, countries may very well fall. My only hope is that things only get bad enough that the masses learn an important lesson that at least lasts for their generation and that recovery is possible in that time frame.
It's not that I don't care. It's not even that I don't have the fight left in me. I just don't see any kind of path to a better place without substantial harm occurring first. I will not be happy to be right. I want to be wrong.
I feel your frustration but this isn't a petty dictator with his boot on his people's neck. He was elected. The US, as a nation, chose this. You are choosing your new allies and your new enemies and being quite clear about it.
With how much ratfuckery we already know about, and how much we likely don't, I genuinely have doubts he was actually elected.
Regardless, the supermajority of US citizens did not vote for him.
Every single eligible voter who did not vote was complicit in his victory. A supermajority of voters were fine with this result.
I would argue that the supermajority weren't fine with this result, these real life consequences, but were under a collective cope/delusion that "Killer Kamala" was a "weak woman" but also a warhawk who just wanted to genocide lots of people in Gaza and prolong the war in Ukraine, and Trump was going to bring peace and prosperity and lower the cost of living.
Americans are mostly stupid, poorly educated, gullible, and easily deceived by low effort promises.
If they couldn't take their collective heads out of their assess for the 5 nanoseconds it should take to see through Trump's crusty veneer, then they were, in fact, fine with it.
"I didn't care", "I didn't know", and any other form of ignorance is inexcusable, especially after his first term in office. Did they think he'd changed somehow?
I like Greg Palast and haven't looked into the numbers yet, but someone did send me this, today: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
A supermajority didn't vote against him either, and a plurality of eligible voters didn't give enough of a shit to even show up.
Most voters voted for this and those who don't vote don't matter.
i am from germany. should we apply your stupid argument on ww2?
no. fuck the americans. they voted for shitbag twice rather than a women. i dont see mass protests. it is the people. the american people are living the idiocracy by choice.
I agree and hope so too. I think a lot of the frustration and hate comes from Trump actually having been elected. Basically, if you meet someone who voted, there is about a 50:50 chance that they have voted for this. When your vote influences not just your own country but the entire world, that guarantees blame and anger from others.
Now, you can argue whether elections are fair when one party is funded by billionaires and has access to media to spread any misinformation they want. Gerrymandering and a lot of other practices surely play a role in making this not absolutely fair. Let alone that insanity of a two party system. But at the end of the day, this is still an elected president, who even won the public vote, if I remember correctly. It is not the same as obviously rigged elections as in, for example, Russia (where people get even much more hate for their president, as if they had the power to vote or change anything).