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The Anti-Corruption Foundation, which criticizes Putin and is reputed to be the best independent pollster in Russia, just did a poll in Germany & France. It asked: who's responsible for starting the Ukraine war?

Here's Germany's result:

Here are the polling numbers from France:

It appears that both in Germany and France, more people believe that the US is responsible for starting the war in Ukraine than believe that Putin is responsible.

Leonid Volkov of the Anti-Corruption Foundation claims that these numbers show how effective Putin's propaganda is in Germany & France.

This is a laughable explanation of the numbers given that populations of Germany and France are exposed to US propaganda to a far greater degree than they are exposed to Russian propaganda. In fact, much of Russian media is even banned in EU at this point.

One can only imagine what these numbers would look like if the populations of Germany and France were not being bombarded with US government propaganda about the origins of the Ukraine war.

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[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you know, instead of thousands of people dying for no good fucking reason, maybe they could’ve just...

  1. Not coup'd the government in Ukraine with Euromaidan

  2. Not fueled a civil war against the DPR and LPR

  3. Not violated Minsk 1

  4. Not violated Minsk 2

  5. Not mobilized men near the border

  6. Not threatened to rip up the Non-Proliferation Treaty

  7. Not thrown away the peace negotiations back in April 2022 and backstab Russia after they agreed to retreat

  8. Not ripping off Russia on their end of the grain deal and making sure Ukraine didn't use the humanitarian corridors for military purposes

But instead we're getting a continuation of this conflict until the literal last Ukrainian is mobilized, all for Western capital.

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