What to use instead of gmail? (lemm.ee)

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Anything better?

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[-] hyacin@lemmy.ml 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Proton, but I've been questioning that of late :-/

[-] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago

Someone mentioned Tuta…

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 11 hours ago

i get it... its still a quality service despite that one shithead exec

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 11 hours ago

But the shithead exec is supportive of fascists which means privacy is secondary to the desires of the current regime. That's just a standard part of fascism. And if the current regime is allowing untested backdoor code to be inserted in the Treasury department and NASA and the CDC and most major social media to strip out protections for people they don't like, climate change, etc. Just imagine what someone who actually supports them ideologically would be willing to do.

[-] AkashicOwl@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Can you explain what happened/what they said?

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 5 points 8 hours ago

Well, the latest development I've seen is they're deleting (censoring) comments calling out the political bias of their CEO on their post about how they're fighting against censorship:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/1ij4qn9/behind_the_scenes_of_proton_vpns_fight_against/

Here's an evidenced account of part of what their CEO asserted:

This is what the CEO posting as u/Proton_Team stated in a response on r/ProtonMail:

Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot:

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

Source: https://archive.ph/quYyb

To call out the important bits:

He refers to it as the "official response"
Indicates that JD Vance is on their side just because he attended an event that other invited senators didn't
Rattles on about "corporate Dems" with incredible bias
States "Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses" which is immediately refuted by every response

That was posted in ther/ProtonMail sub where the majority of the event took place: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7ahrlm/

However be aware that the CEO posting as u/Proton_Team kept editing his comments so I wouldn't trust the current state of it. Plus the proton team/subreddit mods deleted a ton of discussion they didn't like. Therefore this archive link captured the day after might show more but not all: https://web.archive.org/web/20250116060727/https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7ahrlm/

Some statements were made on Mastodon but these are subsequently deleted, but they're capture by an archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250115165213/https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

I learned about it from an r/privacy thread but true to their reputation the mods there also went on a deletion spree and removed the entire post: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1i210jg/protonmail_supporting_the_party_that_killed/

This archive link might show more but I've not checked: https://web.archive.org/web/20250115193443/https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1i210jg/protonmail_supporting_the_party_that_killed/

There's also this lemmy discussion from the day after but by that point the Proton team had fully kicked in their censorship so I don't know how much people were aware of (apologies I don't know how to make a generic lemmy link) https://feddit.uk/post/22741653

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 11 hours ago

if you distance yourself from every company that has a dick executive, youre going to need to go off-grid. good luck.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

I distance myself from companies run by people who say or explicitly support people who say that I don't or shouldn't exist. There are a few other things that make me distance myself from companies, but that one is a pretty hard line. (I'm gender "non-compliant" and on the Autism spectrum among other things that have been explicitly said don't exist, shouldn't exist, or need to be "cured"). Otherwise, I try to distance myself from any companies who explicitly collect and sell my information and other things that I find problematic, but that's not always possible.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 20 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

People on all social media really can't seem to understand that the choices aren't exclusively "everything has a perfect open source, non-profit utopia" and "fuck it, everyone is corrupt so it doesn't matter what service you use."

You are able to do what you can, where you can, to mitigate risks and try your best not to support fascists. Especially when there are a dozen alternatives.

Then again, maybe people are just arguing in bad faith.