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yes let's sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you're so righteous.
The idea is stupid, sure, but it's not like it's any more sexual harassment than posting pictures of a pig's ass repeatedly. Hexbear users (many of whom I quite like) should be used to it.
Yeah harassing homeless people asking for 20 bucks so they can avoid their next hypoglycemic seizure with mid 2000's edgy shock porn explicitly for the purpose of being cruel to them IS EXACTLY THE SAME as harassing deliberate trolls acting in bad faith with a picture of an animal's butt so they go away.
You're a perfectly well adjusted person who I totally wouldn't believe hurts small animals for fun.
Swear to god Hexbear is the best thing that's ever happened to the internet if only because we get to see a lot of people's real faces when they react to it.
Wow a single community dedicated to giving any schmuck with a sob story some pocket change. So the whole instance must be the salt of the earth which can do no wrong and have no bad takes. Gee its almost like c/mutual_aid is a defensive shield that you think protects from legitimate criticism of the rest of hexbears extremist nonesense shitposting.
How noble, im truly moved. No, actually im not. Charity for the sake of arguing moral superiority and trying to prove a theoretical socialist system of willful wealth redistribution yet pretending its just out of goodness of hexbear users hearts is false virtue pandering.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. All I see is you trying to justify using your excess of money to deliberately hurt people because you're upset over some words said to you.
And all I see is someone who cant formulate a coherent argument. I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say or imply about me, do you even know your replying to a different person than the guy above?
Also oof bad guess, Im currently broke as shit and live offgrid in a tent. Care to take another crack at assuming anything about my life or overall character? Speaking of doing good for those in need and my intentions, last season I volunteered at a local medical rehab helping get homeless clean off life threatening drugs and improving their quality of life by making sure they had clean rooms and basic amenities. It might not be sending 20$ anonymously to fuel a homeless persons narcotic or opioid addiction so they don't have to get medical assistance to deal with withdraw shock or overdosing like the most caring and thoughtful hexbear donators but hey its something I guess.
Why would I give a shit you're a different person if you're saying the same shit
Tankies run on hypocrisy.
There are only two kinds of people on Lemmy.
People who left Reddit to escape the verbal diarrhea that overwhelmed the site.
People who left Reddit to spread that diarrhea.
sigh The @sh.itjust.works domain is full of the latter.
I'm just here bc people made fun of .world users, please don't make more tribalism 😭😭
If "verbal diarrhea" is so commonplace on reddit, then it wouldn't be necessary for people to leave Reddit in order to spread it, hmm?
Obviously your entire premise is sheer stupidity regardless, but I just want point out that even according to your own internal logic, it still doesn't make any sense.
Fuck tha haters. You all do great work on the instance!
Just social media posting your way to praxis? That’s a hell of a form of “mutual aid.”
There's a Mutual Aid comm where people in need can make a request for money or other such necessity and others can fulfil them.
what cowbee said, and you dorks trying to get the domain to redirect hexbear to sexually explicit or otherwise useless shit are just making it that much harder for the numerous palestinians, trans people, unhoused people, etc. who have come to rely on c/mutual_aid.
good to know that owning the "tankies" is more important to you dweebs than letting us continue to help them. i really hope you're proud of yourselves.
I think anyone trying to buy the domain and redirect it as some kind of joke is dumb and I don't support that.
But I'm curious how the vetting process works for c/mutual aid. How can you be sure that the money is going to people who actually need it, as opposed to people who are playing a part to garner your sympathy?
I've poked around hexbear from time to time and I remember a certain Palestinian family that was receiving fairly substantial aid. That appeared fairly legit to me, although it's still extremely difficult to be sure.
But the people who need help with rent, or help paying their phone bill, or whatever random sob story they might come up with, I view with inherent suspicion.
Have you ever considered that it might be a much more efficient use of your resources to actually walk around wherever you live and give food and blankets directly to the unhoused? To volunteer at a local soup kitchen or homeless shelter?
Sending anonymous strangers money over the internet has a very large chance of going to the wrong people who are adept at manipulating others but not actually in the most need. It has a very large chance of funding self destructive behaviors of mentally ill people that ultimately drive the individual further into poverty and misery. Just something to think about.
The mutual_aid comm literally saved me from being homeless and losing my pet cats that I've had for 10 years.
Fuck you Nancy Grace. "Don't give that homeless man money! He'll use it on drugs"
What's the worse problem? Someone getting something 'they don't deserve' or someone not getting something they need to live?
That's great, good for you.
I think drugs are great, but they can be very harmful for people who are already mentally unstable. I deal with homeless people frequently, and in many cases, abusing drugs is a major problem for them and giving them money just perpetuates a self destructive cycle that eventually ends with them dying before their time.
Someone not getting something they need to live is the worse problem, which is why sending your charity off into the interwebs with hopes and prayers that it has a positive impact is a very naive and lazy way of doing things. You should be making sure that it helps those who are most desperate, and the only way to ensure that is to do your giving IRL.
For your point on trust, hexbear users mostly just have to trust that the user is acting in good faith as there isn't really any way to properly verify if the person is telling the truth without forcing them to reveal personal, and potentially identifiable, information. And for your point on funding destructive behaviours, if we assume that this individual is telling the truth about their situation, then you aren't funding their drug addiction by helping them pay rent or buy food.
That's fair and I respect it, we need to have the courage to trust other people and I'm sure people have received much needed aid from that community.
But at the same time we have to recognize when a system is vulnerable to abuse, and consider ways to prevent that abuse from happening, or at least limit it. Sometimes, people aren't going to tell the truth, and sometimes they may not know how to help themselves. It's very hard to recognize those scenarios when your only context is an anonymous username on an internet forum.
In that case, you simply just have to take the risk. A well-off person giving money to another well-off person pretending to be poor isn't as harmful as a well-off person not giving money to a poor person because they think they are a well-off person pretending to be poor.
Giving money to a person pretending to be poor instead of a person who is actually poor is harmful. You only have a finite amount of money to give away and you would be wasting it.
Very interesting way of rationalizing it though. B+ for mental gymnastics.
2/10 for reading comprehension, i never said that giving money to somebody who doesn't need it isn't harmful, i said it wasn't as harmful as not giving money to somebody who does need it. Please go back to school and retake your english exams
You're comparing giving money to not giving money, that's apples to oranges. And it's wrong anyway.
You're telling me that giving money to Elon Musk (someone who doesn't need it) isn't as harmful as not giving money to me (someone who does need it)?
Lol it's such an incredibly dumb phrase that I could pick it apart in any number of ways. You actually confused yourself with the double negatives in order to convince yourself your own flawed logic lmao
But seriously, send me some dough 😉
You are doing a terrible job at twisting reality to push a "fuck the poor" narrative and im fed up of trying to be civil towards it. Please learn some empathy and stop trying to make giving homeless people money seem like a bad thing.
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Also making a rich person marginally richer is objectively not as bad letting somebody starve to death you worthless fascist.I've done infinitely more to help poor and homeless people than you ever will. Don't try to lecture me about empathy.
Sending money to other hexbear users isn't helping the poor. You can lie to yourself about it, but if you actually wanted to help poor people, there are much more impactful ways to do it.
You pretend that you care about marginalized people just to make yourself feel better. Just like billionaires who donate to charity and think that makes them good people. You're a poseur
It's like giving money to the guy walking about the gas station with a story
You'll see that same guy again and again, and he never seems to put any gasoline in his can