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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1335364

Oh hey, we're back to where it all begun. Only took a couple million displaced.

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[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

If NATO wants to stop the war, then why does it keep supplying Ukraine with weapons? Don't you think that indicates they want the war to go on indefinitely (and help out U.S. military industrial complex)?

NATO wants to give assurances to their Eastern European members that they won't bail on them when Russia starts eyeing their territory.

If they wanted to keep the war going, they wouldn't have made the offer in the first place.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

after he said publicly that Ukraine could give up territory to Russia in exchange for Nato membership and an end to the war.

Key part " in exchange for Nato membership and an end to the war.". NATO didn't let Ukraine join the last time they asked because NATO is well aware that it could lead to multiple countries having nuclear weapons (U.S., UK and France) going against Russia.

Why do you think NATO would want to give remaining parts of Ukraine the NATO membership if such a peace agreement where the NATO Ukraine remains in war with Russia? This will result in a very sensitive situation where a NATO member (Ukraine) and Russia are in a frozen war with each other. If Ukraine were to try to take their territory back, it'll be a war between entire NATO and Russia.

I believe NATO is well aware of the fact that such a 'deal' is not possible.

Ukraine has consistently called for a restoration of its internationally recognised pre-2014 borders

What Ukrainian Government 'wants' is very unrealistic considering how strong the Russian presence is in Crimea.

[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago

Yes, NATO doesn't want a deal that could spark another war. And they also offered Ukraine a way to settle a dispute, lose territory, and stop a current war.

Explain to me then: How is the west forcing Ukraine to keep fighting? And don't say "stop supplying weapons", NATO has to assure their members that they would stand by them.

[-] modulus@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

But Ukraine is not a member. There is no reassurance required, or given, by NATO supplying non-members. In fact one could easily make the opposite claim: NATO depleting its own ammunition stores is doing the opposite of reassuring its members, by decreasing its own margins of safety.

[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago

But Ukraine is not a member. There is no reassurance required, or given, by NATO supplying non-members. In fact one could easily make the opposite claim: NATO depleting its own ammunition stores is doing the opposite of reassuring its members, by decreasing its own margins of safety.

Assurance to the other Eastern European countries that are members (read my previous response). The other Eastern European countries want to supply weapons to Ukraine (they have gone above and beyond to send extra to Ukraine).

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