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Americans seeing themselves as the center of the world and primary (or only?) victims here, when American foreign policy is wreaking havoc on the international community. We're not focused on you, as Americans, because your government is currently trying to fuck us and we're dealing with that. We can have compassion for what you're going through, just don't expect much support as we have our own shit to deal with.
That's perfectly fair. That's also not the message the meme conveys.
Yes, it is. The meaning of this meme is "ok, you have shit going on, not our present concern".
Not really. If that was the case, the conversation between Europe and Canada would be about some of their many internal concerns. Instead they are talking about the orange clown. When Americans, the most directly affected victims of this fascist regime's policies, try to interact amd commiserate about Cheeto Jesus' bullshit, Europe and Canada give them a "ok cool fuck off" thumbs up.
That's pretty straightforward.
You also seem to think we're sitting here just discussing America and/or your president. I assure you, we're not, we're talking about how to reorganize our global community to not involve America. America is noted as a former ally, not as a central aspect of our collective future. Canada and Europe discussing new trade agreements only has to do with American as far as they will not be involved in those trade agreements.
Not at all. I don't make generalizations about the people of an entire country, much less a continent. I am only commenting on the meme.
Americans are victims to their own government is completely different ways than the rest of the world. Your status as a victim does not grant you access to be a commentator on all other conversations occurring. The is no blame there, only a lack of validation of you being a victim.
The individualistic "me fist" attitude of Americans, no matter how marginalized they seem to be, is infuriating. Do you even recognize and discuss how much global strife is caused to the global south on a daily basis for a century directly because of American interest? Seriously, get fucked if you think anyone in the world should be putting any American's interests above their own at this juncture of history. With that said, I fully support the international community asylum opportunities and hope they are helpful to Americans facing political persecution.
The irony... https://imgur.com/a/x9GTjqT
How have the fascist regime's policies affected the rest of the world? Sure, the States draconian policies are terrible and we will be standing up to them at an international level, but you want the rest of the world to put you first while your government is being openly antagonistic to us. Are you first concerns not with Russian, North Korean or chinese citizens who still have less freedom of expression than any American?
Imma be totally real with you boss, our(American) government is trying just as hard to fuck us(the citizens).
Ok, so form separatist factions we can align with on an international level. Otherwise, we're dealing with nation to nation negotiations. How much have the American people reached out to individually support the people of Iran, North Korea or Russia? Spoiler: not much of fuck all. Why should the international community now do intently care about individual American lives?
i don't want your support i want the EU to fucking intervene before the american government make things much, much worse for everyone
To intervene in US internal policies? A lot of nations are standing up to America. I don't see the use in Americans chiming in on non-american inter-nation negotiations that are working to punish America. You're inside the machine, take up the front where it exists for you. Work at creating factions to fight America from within America that the international community can support. At this point it's as organized as ANTIFA (not a slander against ANTIFA, but if you really want to fight fascism it needs to go a step further).
you might not be aware of this because of america's long historic tradition of propaganda but Americans are very scared of their government, of organizing against it and of saying what they think should happen to the oligarchs and fascists that have come to rule the USA. so I'm not going to say what I think the EU ought to do to the USA, but rest assured, if the EU did those things you'd have a lot of ground support
More than ground support is needed - organized resistance groups that are actively engaged as anti-fascist agents are needed. I get why that's difficult, but that's where the work from inside the machine is needed first and foremost. Operations in States that also hinder the feds will likely be most fruitful.