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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza
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Hey at least the genocide will be over! Trump is so much better than Kamala on this!
Y'all need to fucking stop with this dumb shit. We have been pointing out for two years the bipartisan political consensus on supporting this genocide and ethnic cleansing. They are working together on it. Get the fuck over it, you live under totalitarianism with a fake opposition party. This genocide started under Biden, with his support, and is continuing under Trump, with his support. It's not "degrees of genocide", it's fucking genocide. They are both in on a scheme of exterminating an ethnic group and dispossessing them from their land. This plan has been underway with U.S. support not since two weeks ago, but since fucking 1948. OK?
Some of you all are just in full freakout mode these past two weeks. I'm calm as stone. Know why? Because I've been living with these facts for decades. All you people are seeing is the mask falling off the system. I already saw under the mask. Join the club. Get your shit together so we can actually fix this.
Rofl. Biden/Harris trying everything they could to circumvent the blockade to get supplies into Gaza. Trump literally saying he wants to expel the remaining Palestinians and take their land for himself.
You will never admit you were wrong. You will go to your deathbed self assured with yourself that you never compromised on your ideals no matter what actually happens to Gazian Palestinians.
If it wasn't abundantly obvious to the rest of ya'll before, these soapbox "never genocide" bad actors never gave a single shit about what happens Palestinians.
Check their comment History. They’re not here in good faith at all. Just call them out and move on, but they don’t deserve a debate on this.
What a bold lie. Biden vetoed UN votes to stop the blockade. He defended the Israeli military shooting unarmed Palestinians who approached the blockade and approved of Israel blocking the investigations of the deaths of NGO workers.
You could argue Biden was more in favor of peace than Trump is, but in practice he didn’t differ from Trump’s previous term on Israel. His record is clear.
The US built a whole temporary harbor to deliver aid to Gaza.
The whole point of that temporary pier was because Biden was unwilling to pressure Netanyahu to open any of the gates into Gaza, so sea deliveries was a way around him. It delayed aid for months, and it was eventually destroyed in a storm. And then Biden let Israeli military use it for raids and it then became a military target.
It was a failure. A policy failure through and through.
During the time of his he pier, trucks were also getting in from other entrypoints. Israel even constructed and opened new ones.
The problem with aid availability was mostly related to challenges with distribution inside Gaza.
The pier had the same issue. Aid was piling up next to it, but distribution further into Gaza was slow.
That’s simply false, and literally every aid organization and the UN and international press said otherwise. Long lines of hundreds of trucks were not allowed to enter Gaza by the Israeli military, I saw the videos and interviews of the drivers, even Biden admitted it was because Netanyahu refused to allow trucks in and not because of logistics inside Gaza itself. It was part of Netanyahu’s attempt to starve the population both to please the rightwingers in his coalition and to pressure Hamas into surrendering.
The UN and aid organizations of course don’t publicize their inability to distribute aid inside Gaza. They will always blame Israel. However there are also statements by aid organizations and UN that they can’t distribute because of armed groups.
COGAT are the ones actually checking and counting all the trucks going into Gaza. Aid organizations only count their own trucks, so their numbers are always too low. Commercial trucks have been going into Gaza all the time as well.
That’s a very selective reading and being intentionally misleading, that was only the problem AFTER 13 months of Israeli forces not allowing trucks in. Look at what they were saying in October and earlier, the main obstacle was trucks not being allowed in. I watched this unfold in real time.
You’re denying what NGOs and the UN were reporting for the 14 months prior; aid was not being allowed in by Israel. Biden said it, and Netanyahu admitted it. It was intentional to try and pressure Gazans into a ceasefire, and it was illegal like I said above.
You can look at the actual data for UNRWA and WFL only and you will see that there were always trucks getting in.
They even stress that this is only a part of the aid getting into Gaza.
Go on an find a day where no truck got in.
Who do you think is paying for the blockade?
Red flag number one, laughing about genocide.
Except applying diplomatic pressure, Except taking military assets and delivering the supplies (besides the stupid symbolic airdrops that didn't even come close to meeting requirements and killed a bunch of people). Except stopping arming, or even threatening to stop arming, the military that was blocking those supplies - in contravention of international and US law. Except Antony Blinken literally falsifying reports to Congress about "Israel" blocking supplies, because that would legally implicate the Biden administration for continuing to arm them.
"Saying". That's the problem with you. All you hear is words. You don't read bills. You don't look at arms shipments. You don't read the history. You look at headlines.
What did i just say?
"This genocide started under Biden, with his support, and is continuing under Trump, with his support."
They absolutely obliterated Gaza with Biden-supplied bombs while he sat there with his hands over his eyes going, "I don't see anything wrong!" And then after two weeks in office, Trump goes, "oh my god, it's totally destroyed! We'd better ethnically cleanse them." while literally sitting next to Netanyahu. And in your brilliant brain, you don't see the plan at work here.
You are the one laughing in a message about their genocide. Look at my message. Do I sound like I'm fucking laughing?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Hilarious. I love your commitment to the bit.
Engage with honesty and integrity and compassion, or stop fucking responding to my comments.
Oh trust me. I’m as honest as I’ve ever been. I sincerely love seeing people being passionate about their interests. And you seem to LOVE being wrong.
Bro it isn't worth it. I respect what you are trying to do, but Lemmy is an echo chamber on these things. You are completely right in what you are saying, but you're wasting your time commenting here.
Clearly, if Kamala had won she would have personally resurrected every dead Palestinian and single-handedly repaired all the infrastructure. Let's conveniently ignore that she was Vice President in an administration that circumvented Congress multiple times to deliver arms with less oversight, that (almost) every US elected official has vocally supported Israel's actions for 70+ years, and that Kamala herself committed to nothing of substance on the topic.
Wow… this is almost every logical fallacy rolled into one comment.
Bravo!
Aaaah. Now you want to work together. Imagine that! When we asked you all to help keep this from happening, we were told to take our genocide supporting asses and go fuck ourselves.
Now, you’re wanting to play nice? Naaah. I’m calm as a stone too when I tell you that if you didn’t vote, or protested with a bullshit third party loser, you did this.
And we deserve to be angry about it.
I wasn't on Lemmy since ~late 23 until after the election. Who is "you"? It's not me.
My specific quotes at the time looked a lot like what I just wrote. Pointing out that the power of the people is in choosing their own candidates, not being handed them by the media and party apparatuses. That the two parties are visibly cooperating on genocide and that the only meaningful course of action is for the people to overthrow them.
I’m sorry, did someone else just say this?
That not you pretending there’s a “we” here? Because again, if you voted third party, or stayed home- you are openly admitting that you know nothing about the threat we faced, about how elections actually work, and about what the word “we” means.
There is no we that I am a part of that includes you. We tried to stop this. YOU didn’t.
You didn't try to stop shit. You watched a genocide and voted for the same people committing it, because the only thing that mattered to you was your own ass. You weaponize marginalized people to act like you're the hero of the story, but you only care about yourself. People who care about justice and have their entire lives know damn well that the entire system needs to be replaced.
Our only chance is unity. Even if I fucking hate people like you. That's always been the case. That's been the only chance out of a system where even the "opposition" supports genocide for our entire lives. Whether it's 2024, or 2028, or picking up the rubble in 2032. But you know what destroys unity? PEOPLE WHO FOLD INTO THE SYSTEM AND DESTROY OUR UNITED FRONT AGAINST OUR OPPRESSORS.
I didn’t vote for a single person that committed genocide, so stop with the false accusations and… answer this:
Did you stay home when the rest of us voted to stop trump? It’s a simple yes or no.
And you’ve no place to speak of unity when you stood against everyone that stood against trump.
No, it's unity AGAINST mass murderers. Not unity SUPPORTING them. Even if there's two of them and one of them is 5% worse!
And I can already hear it. "You only had two choices!" Then I reject your stupid fucking choices.
Ahhh… okay. Good! Now we’re getting somewhere! You openly admit to…. rejecting our “stupid fucking choices,” but simultaneously demand that we all unite together under your anti-genocide banner.
Got it.
Noble effort, not too many flaws that I can see in the reasoning- genocide… absolutely is a horrid act… no question there, but… the logic in this…. “idea” only works if we were suspend enough disbelief to assume that looking at two identical candidates in all other regards and capacity.
Reality is showing you that this isn’t the case.
Because you see, your rejection of OUR “stupid fucking choice” not only opened the floodgates of FAR worse suffering in Palestine, but you also pretty much threw the the entirely of the LGB¹ and minorities under the bus along with so many other marginalized people in America,
All because of your entitlement.
I’ll even bet… that if I looked back through the year and a half or so of your existence here on lemmy… I’d find that prior to October, you had nothing at all to say about the plight of Palestine.
Yeah.. you’re not “we.” We tried to stop this. You didn’t.
¹ - You might not be familiar with this new acronym. They used to be referred to as LGBTQ+ but because of the consequences of non-voters and protests voters, the “T” is not recognized as existing any more.
In your society's made up system, that you refuse to abandon, despite the fact that its very existence threatens extinction for the human race?
You played their game, by their rules. You lost. We wanted to either play their game by OUR rules, or quit their game. That was a viable strategy, IF THE POPULATION TOOK IT. But one sane person in Nazi Germany couldn't stop WW2. They ALL needed to be aware.
#deep
Fuck off, troll.
Yeah. You can’t conduct yourself in a discussion without aggressive hostilities, and I’m the troll. I’m assuming this is your way of getting moderators to nuke the entire discussion? I’ve been as polite as the rules suggest.
I’ve simply asked you a yes or no question that you’re blowing up the discussion as a distraction to get out of answering.
Did you vote?
Again. It’s a simple question.
Oh, so now it's "get the fuck over it"? Both sides are totally the same!
I don't think so, bebe. You motherfuckers will NEVER be permitted to live this down. This is YOUR fault. We will make you choke on it.
Not even fucking remotely what I said.
Because none of Trump's executive orders personally affect you or anyone you love. Must be nice.
Unfortunately it's not that way for everyone. Many of us are trying to figure out how to survive the next four years without dying to a preventive illness or ending up in a concentration camp, so I'm not sorry if us "freaking out" offends you.
No, because I have decades of trauma that you people are just beginning to feel.
As I went on to explain in my comment, which for some reason you felt the need to just selectively quote and then reframe in some completely bullshit way.