Nato official suggests Ukraine could give up land in exchange for membership (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 1 year ago by SensualHonkey@hexbear.net to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1335364

Oh hey, we're back to where it all begun. Only took a couple million displaced.

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[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

But when Russia suggests they give some land to Ukraine to stop the war, Donbas gets offended and want to keep fighting.

LOL When did that happen tankie? Russia is the one that propped up the separatist movement in the Donbas in the first place.

[-] Staines@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You acknowledge that people have a right to defend themselves, and be supplied weapons to that effect. Your usage of "propped up" also suggests you acknowledge that there were legitimate separatist sentiments in Ukraine in 2014. Why do your principles of armed self determination break down when applied to Donbas? Seems that "tankie" is your word for "someone that believes in self determination".

When did that happen tankie?

Minsk 2, proposed by Russia, outlines that control of the border should be restored to Ukraine, and that Donbas should be reintegrated democratically back into Ukraine with a level of federalization to protect it from future lapses in Ukrainian democracy.

[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

with a level of federalization to protect it from future lapses in Ukrainian democracy.

With a puppet government, you mean.

Just like the "free" elections that they lead in an occupied territory.

[-] Staines@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, "free" as opposed to »free« Ukrainian elections.

In free, western Ukrainian elections, the ruling party simply bans opposition parties that they don't approve of and seizes their assets.

[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't change the subject with whatabouttisms tankie.

I can play that game too: Russia held elections at gunpoint in occupied territory. Do you also believe that the elections the US held in Afghanistan and Iraq were free? Or does that only apply to countries that you don't like?

[-] Staines@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sure Russia had to hold, (at gunpoint?) the people of Donbas who had been shelled for 8 years by the Ukrainian government to get them to vote to leave Ukraine. Or the people of Crimea who had already voted to leave Ukraine before the Russian Federation even existed.