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Europe after stopping fighting the most brutal and effective wars for centuries:
You're sure you want us back? We'll be united this time too.
Are you under the impression that Europe is somehow inoculated against imperialism? It's been fine going along with the US right up to this point, and has sins all its own.
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Yea? Not only has no eu country made no attempt to acquire new colonies in the last hundred or so years, they actively deloconized!
In opposition to the US, that demands mineral rights among others in Ukraine! That keeps Guam uprepresented for another example, or for a third example their threats of expansion to greenland and canada! When was the last time any eu countries did anything like that?
Most US imperialist actions post-WWII haven't been for territory. The modern version is more economic and abstract. It's why Steven Pinker could write a whole book on why violence has declined in the world, be technically correct for the most part, but completely misses how the situation has transformed.
And yes, the EU is very guilty of it all, too. You can claim the US is worse, and certainly a revival of territorial imperialism is a regression to a horrible history, but this wholesale wiping away of EU sins is completely unjustified.
Aside from me giving literally gave 3 examples of the US holding/pursuing territorial expansion while not giving/not planning to give representation(guam, canada, greenland)… Do you think that makes it good? Should we start praising Trump for only wanting the mineral rights of Ukraine?
Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity! But aside from stopping and holding bilateral development programs for them, da fuck are we supposed to do?
I explicitly said it's a return to a horrible history. If you're not going to take arguments that are given, then I think we're done here.
When? When did you say “…return to the past…”? You wobbled on about that us (complete fucking nonsense mind you, the cold war was a thing) and you vaguely stated that it did imperialism without stating a time or a specific event… So maybe you can try that? What country is doing what?
You're still keeping all of the wealth though, naturally, and maintaining the system of unequal exchange that lets you increase that wealth.
lmao 14 countries are forced to use France's central bank. Do you think Africa sells you labor and resources for pennies instead of developing their means of production because they just love stripping their country of resources for you?
You should kind of read your links, you know? Doesn’t write a singular word ab how these 14 countries were aggressively forced to use the stable cfc instead of the hyper-inflating rand
I don’t see the link or the example where their resources are unjusty pilfered! I too can make definitive statements you know? American chedar is scientifically the grossest cheese!
Wait, you really don't know about neocolonialism?
Also American cheeses as a whole are extremely mid, you're not going to find anyone defending that shit out outside of Wisconsin.
Again, can you maybe read your links? It exclusively gives examples of immortality of the US?
Also on a diff note:
Which rlly sound like some nationalistic bs from someone who is butthurt from being colonized, doesn’t it? I am sure europeans rowed over to africa in small boats to claim colonies!
The economic dependency is another fun segment for implying that the smaller countries don’t want the larger one’s investment in return of soft power!
It literally doesn't, scroll down.
The investment is in maintaining systems that keep resources flowing out as cheaply as possible. Yall aren't sending dictators arms out of the goodness of your hearts.
Neocolonialism was used to describe a type of foreign intervention in countries belonging to the Pan-Africanist movement, as well as the Asian–African Conference of Bandung (1955), which led to the Non-Aligned Movement (1961). Neocolonialism was formally defined by the All-African Peoples' Conference (AAPC) and published in the Resolution on Neo-colonialism. At both the Tunis conference (1960) and the Cairo conference (1961), AAPC described the actions of the French Community of independent states, organised by France, as neocolonial.[39][40]
The politician Jacques Foccart, the principal adviser for African matters to French presidents Charles de Gaulle (1958–1969) and Georges Pompidou (1969–1974), was the principal proponent of Françafrique.[41]
The works of Verschave and Beti reported a forty-year, post-independence relationship with France's former colonial peoples, which featured colonial garrisons in situ and monopolies by French multinational corporations, usually for the exploitation of mineral resources. It was argued that the African leaders with close ties to France—especially during the Soviet–American Cold War (1945–1992)—acted more as agents of French business and geopolitical interests than as the national leaders of sovereign states. Cited examples are Omar Bongo (Gabon), Félix Houphouët-Boigny (Ivory Coast), Gnassingbé Eyadéma (Togo), Denis Sassou-Nguesso (Republic of the Congo), Idriss Déby (Chad), and Hamani Diori (Niger)
Nestle is Swiss.
Third heading down, "former colonial powers and Africa"
Blackrock owns 4%. The majority of its shares are held by the Swiss. It is headquartered in Switzerland.
We're getting in the weeds, the point is that Europe's actions maintain an incredibly unbalanced trade with Africa; colonialism never ended, it just took on a different form. America does this too.
Queue historical materialism
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It's a theory in international relations which argues that colonialism is all present today and excercised by mainly the West, but not in the form of guns and slavery but via the economical system and centre vs periphery
Eh, colonialism has ended less than it has evolved.
Most of Europe is actively helping Israel exterminate the Palestinians in an act of brutal colonialism.
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Least incoherent shitlib.
O....K...
So, are you going to be coherent at any point?
Potentially yes, but europe was so nice all in peace (compared to before).
Potentially? So a back when the populus couldn’t read then crimes against humanity was bad! But now, that the population can read now crimes against humanity are good? Makes a lot of sense
I answered your question about us imperialism. Should we too gang up? Probably yes. Will it only be giid? Probably no should we counter russia? Yes.
To be fair, your post is hard to read/understand.
Maybe you should ask if you are not clear ab someone else’s post?
Lets take another run at it! You complain about our, European, crimes against humanity! The ones that we stopped doing and recognize them to be warcrimes ag humanity! Is your issue with that that we stopped doing them unlike you americans?
I was just jesting that we had the biggest most fearsomes armys ever, for good (fighting nazis) and bad (being nazis? Being imperialists, etc.) but we stopped "all that" and now putin pokes us enough to go back to our war stance (but this time we are united).
I don't know what I said that made you think I'm pro imperialism or that I even spoke about crimes against humanity (it do happens europeans do them sometimes and that atrocious of course, but today it's russia who do them every day, all day long).
Hope that clears it up!
Slavery and colonization is not "war".
You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about.