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[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

I'm happy to see you've accepted we're not bots or something, but

that there are literal communities that are hardcore china or russia fans because of the leftism.

Is just a wrong assumption. The point is to never stop the critique. It's just that we a) accept the nuance in and the reality of the Ukrainian conflict rather than repeat the lines NATO feeds the west through established media (doesn't mean we're fans of putin, but since the start of the conflict any nuance has been labeled as 'Russia apologia'. Russia is a neoliberal, capitalist state and nowhere does this align with my ideals, doesn't mean ima start referring to Russian people as 'orcs'). And b) yeah while china absolutely has its shortcomings (like the disparity between rural and urban China), it is doing some pretty cool stuff too, you should read up about it. This all is of course combined with the knowledge that the west is the primary purpetrator of imperialism, death, desease, hunger, poverty and instability in the global south, while not even being able to channel the stolen wealth to its citizens in order to make some billionairs even richer.

[-] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I see people less being hardcore and instead just see them here as people with different opinions. (some are hardcore leftist, but on the other hand reddit you see often hardcore american fans or karens)

You don't know my hate about america, I definetly hate this system and especially as a German guy who just loves free Open Source Software hate the idea that my school forces pupils to use their bad and unprofessional products compared to free open source ones because they are partners and MC wants money hard as fuck.

But whats tempting me is when I hear how gay people were seen as an illness. Many things that I heard just heard about camps where people with wrong religions are put there which aligns to the German Hitlers conzentration camps. Some things are definetly nice and a good approach from China but youtube debunkers show many opposite truths and gaslights. Democracy like EU is trying to and forces everyone to have the same rights for every human, is what is missing in China. I guess each country can decide by themselves if they are left or right, its just about this ground rules that should not be broken because one president wants to become evil.

[-] Flaps@hexbear.net -2 points 1 year ago

You don't believe people have equal rights here in the west, do you?

[-] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Well, only in europe at least. But elswehre. Actually no

[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I absolutely do not agree that people in Europe have equal rights. You just need to look at how migrants or refugees are treated, and that's just one example. Recent protests in France also didn't start because they were treated so equally. Hell, the working class is losing rights left right and center as we speak.

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