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[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

non-human animals feel pain and don’t want to die.

we don't know that any non-human animal understands personal mortality, so we need to clear up an ambiguity in your syntax there. the don't even know if they know they colud die. if you don't know you could want something, to say that you don't want it is almost tautological. we can't say teher is any evidence they want not to die, though.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago

There is evidence. Watch them scream as they die in any documentary. Watch them try to run away as they get corralled into the death cage.

https://watchdominion.org/

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

that's not evidence of understanding personal mortality.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago
[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

it's not enough evidence. we still need proof they understand personal mortality.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

It's more than enough. You go there in person and try and kill one of those cows or chickens and watch them run away and then you tell me straight to my fucking face that they Don't have a desire to live/ not die.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

this, too, is not proof. do you have any animal cognition papers that show cows understand that they might die?

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