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[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

You're an animal too.

And yes, they are someones. They are sentient. Each individual has personality. Whether people acknowledge that or not does not make it not true.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I'm a person. humans are animals, that is true, but we are distinct in important ways. denying this is dehumanizing.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

No, that is a speciesist take. We are not distinct in the ways that are most important. Among many similarities non-human animals feel pain and don't want to die. Those are the most important ways that we are the same.

Do you think humans evolved in a vacuum? We share a lot of similarities in our brains with other types of animals that also have brains.

It is not dehumanizing. Here's a quote to think on: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

non-human animals feel pain and don’t want to die.

we don't know that any non-human animal understands personal mortality, so we need to clear up an ambiguity in your syntax there. the don't even know if they know they colud die. if you don't know you could want something, to say that you don't want it is almost tautological. we can't say teher is any evidence they want not to die, though.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago

There is evidence. Watch them scream as they die in any documentary. Watch them try to run away as they get corralled into the death cage.

https://watchdominion.org/

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

that's not evidence of understanding personal mortality.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago
[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

it's not enough evidence. we still need proof they understand personal mortality.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

It's more than enough. You go there in person and try and kill one of those cows or chickens and watch them run away and then you tell me straight to my fucking face that they Don't have a desire to live/ not die.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

this, too, is not proof. do you have any animal cognition papers that show cows understand that they might die?

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