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[-] alykanas@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago

In what world does this matter, at all ?

Are they in some alternate universe where the ICC police will swoop and arrest the president of the United States, and everything will be alright ?

[-] Madrigal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It’ll severely limit his ability to travel internationally. Plus sometimes it’s just about making a statement.

[-] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They have already not done this with Putin or Netanyahu.

There is a less than zero chance they will do this with a sitting American president. No one's coming to save us from him we're going to have to do it ourselves.

Have Putin or Netanyahu been to the EU since they had ICC arrest warrants issued for them? No they have not. Whats your point?

The US is irrelevant in that regard, they have never honored the ICC. But the US cant survive alone if they sever all connections to the rest of the western world.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 1 week ago

Arresting the US President will be interpreted as an act of war and the US will retaliate militarily.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To go further, the US has never recognized the ICC. That's not a Trump (or even a Republican) thing, either. Clinton signed it but never submitted the treaty to the Senate, Bush did nothing with it, Obama sent observers but made no move toward ratification either.

The standard arguments against joining are that the ICC doesn't fit in with the structure of the judicial branch in the US, and that it doesn't guarantee a trial by jury like the Constitution does. So the ICC, as it is currently structured, contradicts the Constitution so there would have to be further Constitutional changes before the US can join.

As a result, the US does not formally recognize its authority over US citizens, and should any US citizen be detained by it, we would probably dispatch some Special Forces to get them out. The countries that are part of the ICC know this, so are unlikely to push things that far.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

To countries which will be able to fend off a US invasion? It would be interesting to see which country would defy the Hague Invasion Act.

[-] alykanas@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

How does it “severely limit his ability to travel “ ?

[-] Madrigal@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Presumably, if he lands in any country that actually respects international law (which is a fair few) he will be arrested.

[-] robbinhood@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

lol yeah that's not happening.

The potential host country could decline not to host the President and that's about it. Countries can do that right now and I wouldn't blame him, although I doubt Trump will be traveling much.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

The set of countries that would enforce an ICC warrant against Trump is a subset of the set of those that would enforce one against Netanyahu. None of the countries the POTUS would actually go to belong to the latter.

[-] alykanas@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 week ago

I can’t believe you wrote that

Be real.

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