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I don't think anyone here who talked about switching away from firefox even considered the chromium browsers as an alternative.
What the other comment also said its a baseless assumption that the forks wont live on without firefox. Thats just not how open source works.
Do you mean the ones that we are creating with the fediverse that are all equally open source or just those that google wants us to adopt?
In every post I've seen of the change in Firefox TOU there's been people asking for alternatives and proposing chromium based browsers as alternatives (even chrome). I just can't grasp how anyone escaping Firefox because of these changes would willingly go to any based in chromium... But so many are just doing that. It seems many people using Firefox are just following recommendations and this whole issue with Firefox might hurt a lot more than any one thinks having a free web.
developing Firefox costs $500,000,000 a year, according to Mozilla's books. you won't get the kind of hours that money buys you from a volunteer only project.
and for better or worse (it's worse), google dictates the Internet's shape. any browser that can't keep up with what google offers is untenable.
This is like saying Linux can’t be viable because Microsoft spends an estimated 3-5 Bilion on windows annually.
To me, the value of the internet is in connecting people with freedom of expression. I don't know what you believe any of us is gaining by letting google walk over us.
If we just stop playing along it looks like the enshitificated corpo owned sites are doing us one favor by isolating themselves from us, motivating innovation. But we wont be isolated from the net. We will be right here.
And if we look at historical references of a split internet. Facebook has an .onion version to be used with tor. So actually, they will still be chasing us. Because they need us way more then we need them.
No, because Linux is backed by big corpos, Microsoft included. Firefox isn't.
it's more like saying Linux wouldn't be viable at the scale it exists at today if it suddenly had the resources it had in 1995.
i want to believe development on Firefox could continue without Mozilla, but browsers are a fast-moving target with a massive attack surface.
Google only dictates the internets shape because we allow them to. It's time to start moving away where we can, and encouraging others to do the same.
You don't have to completely degoogle all at once, but moving your emails to a privacy-respecting alternative is a quick, one-time step you can take to reduce their market share
agree, with the caveat that "we" isn't us the individuals, but rather the companies that pay google.
Agree, with the caveat that "we" is all of the above because fuck every source of data and income for Google
I was more thinking along the lines of, google doesn't care what free users do. they are an advertising company with a business service arm, so their money comes from advertisers and business accounts. every private individual could degoogle right now and google would keep running just fine.
You are absolutely correct on every point. I just really don't like Google so I want them to choke