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Ukraine is their neignbor. Being that most of Europe are also NATO members, It makes more sense to me that they be the ones to spearhead this proxy war if anyone should.
Russia is all of our problem. Being that the US is part of the world and Russia is a rogue state with a nuclear arsenal and the flagrant aggressor, it makes plenty of sense for us to invest in reducing their ability to cause these kinds of shockwaves every 7-10 years on the world stage.
Have you forgotten the social and political unrest Russia has caused in our country? Are you unaware of the money and personnel they invest into destabilizing our country? Should that just go completely unanswered?
Do you seriously think we should only concern ourselves with Mexico and Canada or something?
you overestimate the influence russia previously had in our country while simultaneously underestimate the impact of americas history on my own fellow Americans as well as the rest of the world.
Do you seriously think we don't invest money and personnel in destabilizing russia?
I also didn't say to eliminate support, but we shouldn't be leading this charge
I seriously think we should do what our fellow NATO countries have been doing the past 8 decades and start focusing our attention on improving living conditions at home instead of constantly spending absurd amounts of money to perpetuate this infinitely growing war machine that claims to hold other countries to standards that it can't even hold itself to.
With all due respect, you’re doing their job for free right now.
With all due respect. I couldn't care less.
Ah, yes. You clearly don't care so much you typed out a response.
hands-down one of the most effortless things I can do.
Yet you clearly could do less, correct?
nope.
5 keystrokes seems like you could do/care less.
nope
4, we are getting closer!
nop
Just 3 more and I will believe you can not care less.
No
Yay, 2 more keystrokes!
I can not.
Why is the effort increasing? We had a whole thing going.
You cared enough to start shit and defend Russia. If you didn’t care you would’ve read and moved on. Don’t play at that bullshit.
I never defended russia. quit makin' shit up. also, unlike you bots, I have to sleep sometimes.
I respond half a day later and you call me a bot who doesn’t sleep, but you respond within like an hour and you’re a real boy lmao
Be better man. Have a good one, truly.
Your not the only propagandists I'm responding to and your intial comment is clearly referencing some of my replies to other people. I'm already good enough. Quit projecting.
So you think Russia waged this war just to stick it to the West? To me it looks like a war of conquest - Russia invaded so they could take land.
Also because Putin needed a war to shore up nationalist fervor and distract from his failures and corruption. A classic play that almost always works.
If it was only about conquest, there is countries like Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tschadjikistan that Russia could conquer easily and w.o. consequences from the West.
The key strategic goal for Russia is to prevent NATO standing on their homeland doorsteps.
For a good explanatiom see this talk by Prof. John Mearsheimer, who foresaw this war coming ten years ago already.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&pp=ygULbWVhcnNoZWltZXI%3D
NATO has already been on Russia's borders - the Baltics and Poland were already NATO members that bordered Russia.
I think the invasion of Ukraine was indeed a conquest for land. John McCain over 10 years ago predicted that Putin wanted to grab a "land bridge" between mainland Russia and Crimea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8&t=58s
My guess: it was Putin doubling down on his bet made in 2014, which in turn was triggerd by chance (protests over an EU accession treaty triggering a revolution in Ukraine) and opportunism.
Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and his popularity ratings soared. He allowed the conflict to be frozen and undertook a campaign of military reforms, but Ukraine also undertook their own.
He subsequently isolated himself to such degree that he was surrounded by yes-men, and they told him Ukraine could be conquered with 200 000 men (and "was about to collapse anyway", etc). He thought it would be over in days and told them to get it done.
They only recently deployed soldiers in the capital there.
is not the be all end all of geopolitics. His "realist" perspective is limited and he has often been wrong, including regarding Ukraine.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/power-of-power-politics/mearsheimers-multipolar-myths-and-the-false-promise-of-realist-policy-prescriptions-the-empirical-inaccuracy-of-the-realist-paradigm/AEDB8F3F56FD2D5048E79FD8332A5DAE
Maersheimer is also an apologist for imperialism.
The war started when Russia took Crimea in 2014, that's 11 years ago. Georgia was invaded in 2008.
MItt Romney warned of Russian agression back in 2012.
Dugin's Foundation of Geopolitics was published in 1997 and outlined how Russia could regain its lost empire.
Why are you even guessing? Every single representative of Russia including Putin gives long ass speeches about why this is happening. Also the US is hardcore plotting and funding terrorism against Russia. They have incidents every two weeks or so.
The same government that has lied about so many things that I have lost count
Evidence? Do you think the US plotted and funded the Crocus City Hall attack for instance?
Now this is just a dim take. We are fighting a war via a proxy (Ukraine) by offering the financial, logistical, and weapon support. Hence, a Proxy War.
What's dim is refusing to recognise that this war was started by Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, then increased their invasion in 2022. Ukraine asked the West for military help so the West provided military help.
Maybe Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO years ago when they asked, and then they might not have been invaded.
Ukraine's not a member of NATO and i never disputed who the primary aggressor was in this war.
Indeed. That's why I said maybe Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO years ago. That might have prevented this invasion.
So you think Russia invaded, but then the West used this as an opportunity to harm Russia. Maybe the West wasn't interested in harming Russia for the sake of harming Russia. Maybe the West just wanted Russia to stop its invasion of Ukraine.
Russia invaded and i think the west didn't care until we were out of our other forever wars and we needed a new way to keep the military industrial complex afloat.
Would you have preferred to see the West provide nothing to Ukraine and instead just watch Ukraine get taken over by Russia? Perhaps that would have resulted in fewer deaths, but who knows. Russian forces probably would have still killed a lot of Ukrainians, and they would have subjugated Ukrainians, and probably they would have still committed rape and other acts.
I've already stated my preferences.
The EU has given far more support to Ukraine than the US.
It is about 10% more from the combined EU than the US
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-years-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement/
"The EU has given far more support to Ukraine than the US."
Cite your sources.
The "EU" is not a singular country. The US is.
The US has about twice the landmass, far more natural resources and about 80% of the population of the EU.
As for sources:
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-years-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement/
Thank you for posting a source but that article suggests that the EU surpassed the US in support because we started to withhold some support mid 2023. I guess this means my comment wasn't the most apropriately timed but I'm not opposed to having a reduced support roll from when this started.
Nazi Germany was also Europe's neighbour. I'm sure America would have fared well just completely ignoring it until all of Europe and Russia was under nazi control. Sometimes you need to involve yourself before a problem becomes too big.
I'm not sure what kind of a analogy you're trying to draw here since Russia was one of our Primary allies trying to stop Nazi Germany. Are you suggesting we form an alliance with Russia because people are suggesting I'm doing someones job for free right now and your out here trying to draw parallels to WWII as if we want to make friends with Russia.
-I have to say multiple accounts are making a hell of a lot of suggestions that i'm wrong and providing no source of information to back themselvss up.
You are calling this a proxy war between North Korea and USA. North Korea is more in USA's area of interest than that of Europe's.
Correct. This is also a proxy war with North Korea. Iran, too from what I recall.
The US fucking around geopolitically is what got us this mess. The US was eager to walk over Russian security interests, despite warnings this could escalate to a war. And now Trump has spoken the quiet part out loud, that for the US this war is mainly a business opportunity, no matter who wins it in the end.
The US dropping out of supporting Ukraine should be met with sanctions and a ban of any US investment into Ukraine for thr next 100 years. Also all US owned assets needs to be seized like the Russian ones.
Neither country should be allowed to make a single Penny from rebuilding in Ukraine.
i agree.