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Less Than Half in U.S. Now Sympathetic Toward Israelis
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So what are they going to do? This is what happens when you prop up & support ethno religious states. Don't want it then stop supporting Israel's existence.
The problem isn’t that Israel is an ethno-religious state, it’s that it’s a genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state imposing itself on someone else’s land, and it’s trying to ethnically cleanse that land of its indigenous peoples, and it’s trying to expand its territory into a “Greater Israel,” extending its project of ethnic cleansing ever wider.
Orrrrr, now hear me out, we ratchet up the propaganda, black listing, and police responses to protests. Eh?
You can support Israel without supporting what they're doing.
Edit: the state of Israel
What would "support" look like in this case? How do you ensure that support isn't weaponised and used to promote genocide?
How do you ensure the alternative doesn't?
So you can't answer the question
You want the genocidal dictator to "step down" and the genocidal terrorist army "needs reform"?
You're not even trying, man. At least try to make it seem like you actually believe your "both sides" hasbara. Ass is, we can all see that you're a rabid genocidal Zionist.
This community is clearly pro-Palestine since I keep getting downvoted, and only my comments are getting deleted, but I do find it funny how everyone here is giving me shit for being a Zionist and everyone else is ignoring my statement about how Palestine would be significantly worse. What's your alternative?
Fuck yes it’s pro-Palestine and anti-Zionist settler-colonialist. It’s anti-apartheid, anti-ethnic cleansing, and anti-genocide.
Palestinians have the right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle, while the State of Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”
Idk why I keep going down this rabbit hole, especially when the mods keep censoring every rational argument I make, but I just want my question answered: How is Palestine going to be any better? A state controlled by Hamas? Hamas is also a terrorist organization far worse than the Israeli government. Hamas terrorists intentionally recorded their murder, rape, and torture of civilians, including around 200 foreign nationals, and took at least 240 hostages back with them to Gaza. , which is illegal based on 'UN law' from that Wikipedia article you sent me. Also, if you read that article, you'll notice a lot of it is disputed.
If you support Palestine, then you are not
As in Hamas' own words, they want to get rid of all Jews from the area. will almost definitely be the governing body of Palestine. Not to mention, many Palestinians in Israel want all Jews either dead or gone. To be clear, I am not calling Pro-Palestinians anti-semitic, I am just saying that's what would happen.
Also, to throw in another question: How is Israel 'occupation' any different than North America occupying the lands formerly owned by the Native Americans? Should the U.S., Canada, and Mexico hand it back over to them?
You should watch this video. It's actually very entertaining and informative.
I am right there with you, though. Israel needs to pull out of the Westbank and leave Gaza alone. Netanyahu needs to be tried, and the IDF needs major reforms.
The ideal solution would be to create a 2-state system, but we all know that would never work in practice.
Finally, to the mods- I hope you understand that this application does not have a lot of users and that deleting controversial comments that you dont agree with without any rationale is exactly how you drive out people. I've already unfollowed this sub because of you, and I am contemplating deleting my lemmy account because everything on here is pretty much politics.
Idk why I keep going down this rabbit hole, especially when the mods keep censoring every rational argument I make, but I just want my question answered: How is Palestine going to be any better? A state controlled by Hamas? Hamas is also a terrorist organization far worse than the Israeli government. Hamas terrorists intentionally recorded their murder, rape, and torture of civilians, including around 200 foreign nationals, and took at least 240 hostages back with them to Gaza. , which is illegal based on 'UN law' from that Wikipedia article you sent me. Also, if you read that article, you'll notice a lot of it is disputed.
If you support Palestine, then you are not
As in their Hamas' own words, they want to get rid of all Jews from the area. will almost definitely be the governing body of Palestine. Not to mention, many Palestinians in Israel want all Jews either dead or gone. To be clear, I am not calling Pro-Palestinians anti-semitic, I am just saying that's what would happen.
Also, to throw in another question: How is Israel 'occupation' any different than North America occupying the lands formerly owned by the Native Americans? Should the U.S., Canada, and Mexico hand it back over to them?
You should watch this video. It's actually very entertaining and informative.
I am right there with you, though. Israel needs to pull out of the Westbank and leave Gaza alone. Netanyahu needs to be tried, and the IDF needs major reforms.
The ideal solution would be to create a 2-state system, but we all know that would never work in practice.
Finally, to the mods- I hope you understand that this application does not have a lot of users and that deleting controversial comments that you dont agree with without any rationale is exactly how you drive out people. I've already unfollowed this sub because of you, and I am contemplating deleting my lemmy account because everything on here is pretty much politics.
Firstly, Lemmy is not an “application,” and secondly, wouldn’t it be a shame if we were to drive out hasbara genocide apologists.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Ethnostates are never necessary and are always fascist.
Absence of support of Israel isn't the same thing as antisemitism, no matter what they'd like you to believe. I have no particular views regarding Ecuador, that doesn't mean I'm racist against them.
No, you really can't: the nature of a thing is what it does
Israel is what it is doing. It was founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing.
If you are aware of what they are doing, and you provide support to them, that is therefore knowingly providing support to their actions, whether you agree with those actions or not.
Or, if you just meant 'agree with' rather than 'supply', then I would say that what they're doing is not something they will ever stop. It's an integral part of their existence as an imperial Zionist state, they aren't just doing it for fun, or because of some 'bad apples'. They have no plan or desire to stop, their history is mostly just this same type of war and besieging repeated, and the USA would probably abandon them and let them collapse if they miraculously did decide to stop, because the US imperial strategy only values the Zionist Regime as a attack dog in the Middle East, a region critical for resource control.
A lot of words to say, it might as well be supporting guns without supporting bullets. There is no realistic situation where guns won't be used to shoot bullets. They can't be separated, in reality. Why support guns, at that point? It's just a comfortable abstract idea in a vacuum.
The name Israel was chosen by the Zionist movement for a reason & reflects what they are doing. By keeping the name, you're enabling/supporting them.
You can support israelis by sending them back to Poland or to hell.