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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The Horrors are pretty pedestrian to me at this point, but functional knowledge on the way various cultures, especially by region, nurtured and maintained the superabundance of the pre-columbian americas would be pretty fucking amazing to read. there's a modern less geographically specific re-discovery of the concept 'the philosophy of social ecology' by the guy whose inter-human-political philosophy largely inspired the not-a-state in what was NE syria whose name escapes me at present.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Idk, man, I thought I knew it well enough, but it shook me a few times. One of the things that still haunts me is how the native Americans had this entire cultivated relationship with the ecology here, and the Europeans just wandered in and went "pfft look at these dumb layabouts not cutting down trees, plowing fields, and killing everything that moves when God left it here for them to exploit" and proceeded to perform what amounted to not just regular genocide, but also ecological and cultural genocide by completely transforming the ecology of California.

Also, re: hyper abundance. There's some evidence that suggests that the hyper-abundance encountered by European settlers was actually the result of the collapse of agrarian societies across the continent. De Soto describes organized, settled, agrarian societies when he first encounters the native Americans. 100 years of smallpox later, and the English find what amounts to hunter-gatherer bands. It's entirely possible that a breathtaking depopulation occurred across the American continents that basically resulted in what you'd see when you functionally eradicate the apex predator from a given ecology.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

oh. the stupid part is easy to understand. stupidity is usually pretty easy to understand, up until you get into some very modern innovations in the field.

devastation too. the ease of understanding it is kind of the point and why it hits so hard. read about that, fuck those assholes, murder their descendants all the way up to me, and I got bored of taking my shots at that bitch like a decade ago. it's the ecology and actual science that WAS destroyed that I'm interested in. is much of that preserved/reconstructed in the text?

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago

There's a pretty good density of useful information from what I've read. I'm not even halfway through yet, but it's doing a good job of painting a picture around how the ecology was maintained and used, yeah.

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