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Mod log
- Original comment that was deleted with reason of "Tankie apologia".
- When another user comments has suspicions of mods actions, Mod replies with this.
- Poster replies in exasperation explaining perspective, rationale, and offline experiences. Comment gets deleted and purged.
Explanation
The original comment I made was stating that alienation of someone by frustrating their political beliefs is not a way to convince them of anything.
That being their genuine friend goes a long way in helping someone rather then attacking them.
That together they both can work together for a better future.
That you can be annoyed, but that should be swallowed because that is what it means to be part of a community.
You will always be annoyed one way or another in a community, that is the beauty of a community, that there are different people that may annoy you slightly, but working together to still be a community.
The moderator disagrees with this, viewing it as "tankie apologia".
When I replied, explaining why I made my post and my background, My post was removed and I was banned from the community.
Thank you @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com for reminding me on this missing context: https://lemmy.ml/comment/17251624
In my reply post, I wrote that "advocating for war on any country is not political flavoring".
That cannot be swallowed, and one should not befriend such a person without sufficient care for ones own wellbeing.
I had wrote explicitly thinking of people who suport Russia against Ukraine, Israel over Palestine, and Assadists etc.
My purged comment also states that "people seeking to punish / attack LGBTQIA+ people is not political flavoring".
I whole heartingly believe trans rights are human rights.
Free HRT and gender affirming care for all!
To remove an otherwise popular comment advocating for support what I feel are healthy behaviors, then name call someone as a "authoritarian" and a "tankie apologist" is disingenuous and corrupt to me.
Remedy
Personally I would like my comments restored so at least others see a different way of looking at things. I have no qualms with remaining banned.
Perhaps I should have not commented in reply to the mod, but they had already removed my post and I had little to lose.
Otherwise, I am very tired of this on the internet, I am tired of tribalism and the lack of empathy in this world.
What do you all think, should I have even made my original comment if I already knew it would be fruitless?
I wish there weren't two posts from this same exchange.
To answer your question "What do you all think, should I have even made my original comment if I already knew it to be fruitless?" The answer is unequivocally "no."
You were in an instance that doesn't allow for authoritarianism, an instance that bans people based on their comment history even outside of that instance. You show up with the authoritarianism in your profile and try telling someone complaining about their friend not disliking authoritarianism with "just be friends." This is all completely expected for the rules of that instance.
When people get a ban for doing a thing in a place where the rules say to not do that thing... it's YDI.
I mean just the absolute irony of a .ml power mod accusing others of PTB. This is maybe a bit ticky tack, but I definitely get the desire to keep tankies on a short leash, and in terms of soft bans, this is nothing compared to what .ml does daily. Talk about not being able to take what you dish out.
For the record I favor time-period bans myself, unless it's a someone being a transphobe. time period are pretty common on .ml in general from what I've seen unless it's addressing some repeat/escalating behavior.
neither of these were 'soft bans', they were open-ended, I wasn't exactly surprised either tbh.
I mean "soft" as "questionably justified" in this case.
In your case this is definitely some guilt by association, because you seem comparatively reasonable, not that my opinion matters. But in terms of my broader beef with .ml (which I'm not going to litigate here) I feel no need to apologize. I think the optics are pretty clear to those paying attention, and you reap what you sow. .ml broadly deserves the reputation it has, and every way that conditions how other instances interact with its users.
But I do want to reiterate for anyone who cares that I do think Diva is generally pretty chill. Again, not that my opinion matters. You do you.
May you elaborate on "authoritarianism in your profile", I feel like that's preventing me from understanding your perspective fully.
They're automatically labeling you as a tankie because you're on the tankie instance.
If you sit down at a table with three nazis, it just means there's four nazis at the table. Same thing with tankies. You hang out with authoritarians, you are an authoritarian.
Doesn't mean shit if you don't consider yourself one or not.
I'm sorry, but not everyone knows that .ML is made by and has a lot of tankies. Lemmy is still fairly new. It's not know about outside of Lemmy, and plenty of users on .ML aren't pieces of shit. It's not like it's in their mission statement and they hand out uniforms.
This guilty until proven innocent bullshit needs to fucking stop.
Well of course when you realize the table you sat at was full of nazis, you can't just get back up and move to a different table. That would be rude! It's better to just sit there with the nazis, and play along with the games they play so you fit in.
That's the general gist of your argument, right? Just wanna make sure I didn't miss anything.
We're talking about a person who clearly doesn't know the drama here. Maybe they will move now that it's been pointed out to them. You don't fucking know.
Two different mods from the same community
TheCoolerMIA was the power tripping bastard for Diva and WillStealYourUsername is the power tripping bastard for Clocks