Hi all, thank you for reading my post. modlod link
Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
[> The original post feels like bait, but here is an authentic response.
Maybe genuinely be their friend instead of alienating them based on political flavoring. Perhaps you can be better working together to help others in your locality or communities than squandering over geopolitical matters. Swallow your frustrations, being annoyed is a part of being in a community. You can move on. ](https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?commentId=13347091)
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as 'tankie apologia' and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find 'the tankie triad' extremely silly:
yeah that's the context, I was just laughing because:
- only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
- it sounds really silly, like they're a nemesis to dr venture.
- I'm supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔
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I'm not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I've run into in any of 'the tankie triad'. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on 'tankie' run instances don't seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
You'll forgive me if I don't get into specifics, I would rather not have to deal with IRL harassment. I've been at antiwar organizing since Iraq. It comes from an anarchist position, any war be it colonization or inter-capitalist conflict more broadly is always going to benefit capitalists first while killing countless workers in the process with nothing to show in the end but heightened exploitation and division. War should be opposed regardless of the narrative because it's a tremendous waste of human life and resources, not to mention a distraction from addressing global issues like climate change and pandemics. War is always the hallmark of a political-diplomatic failure. I've worked with a lot of different people over the years, you're never going to agree with everyone 100% because that's just being human but you can still be friends and share common cause as long as there's mutual respect and understanding.
I don't have any issue with that, if people want to fight they should fight. However that's not all that's been happening, they have been drafting/kidnapping people to the front for some time. Ukrainians are not a monolith and there's plenty who would rather not die defending lines on a map. I don't think any anarchist should approve of a state under martial law pressing people into service. I understand that it's a necessary evil in many situations, after all many anarchist revolutions have also used conscription. Don't kid yourself that it's 'anti-authoritarian' to be drafting people to your cause though.
Rest assured that I do not
That's a pretty wild take, since there are TONS of Ukranian anarchists on the front lines, and they're there quite willingly. They recognize that Russia is, by far, the greater evil.
Um. That's a... Statement. It's an objectively false statement, but it's a statement.
Let's take the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Pray tell, what political or diplomatic failure happened, and how could it have been prevented while also allowing Ukraine to determine their own future and move towards the EU in the way that the people of Ukraine wanted? Or, to put it more succinctly, where is the political or diplomatic failure in standing up to a bully?
Russia started the war. That's an undeniable fact. The only way to avoid the war would have been for Ukraine to simply roll over and accept a Russian dictatorship. If you think that not capitulating to a dictatorship is a failure, well, that's a bad-faith claim.
They may be, but there's plenty more people who don't share that conviction drafted into service under martial law. Why are they obligated to sacrifice themselves? It's been years, the mobilization is incredibly unpopular at this point.
Technically correct but more so because warfare has existed long before diplomacy/state politics. In the modern context I think it holds up though.
When it comes to Russia invading ukraine, the root cause political-diplomatic failure stems from the dissolution of the USSR without ever incorporating Russia into the security agreements. To destabilize a government to the point of collapse like that, then swoop in with the shock doctrine looting only created the conditions for someone like Putin to consolidate control. If they had continued to let Russia join NATO after the fall of the USSR and took a less adversarial approach overall there would almost certainly be considerably fewer dead people right now. It would probably be an austerity-crippled reactionary hellhole. The thing is our weapons industry needs to have constant geopolitical tension to justify its own existence. A politics centering global collaboration and reconciliation is incompatible with endless war profits.
I don't think you understood my statement, not really sure what this line means either.