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Are there people here who don’t know that? You’re preaching to the choir.
Yes. Quite a few. Plenty of terminally online cyclists think motorists are intentionally trying to run them over, it's insane. Like literal mental illness levels of persecution complex. Every time fuckcars pops up on my feed I see it at least once and call it out.
If you don't think there are some drivers that actively try to scare cyclists off the road then you don't ride a bike. Hint: they often drive black lifted pickup trucks with tinted windows; you know the type.
Sure but that's because they're assholes, not because they own a vehicle. They're like that outside of their Small Penis Cope Machines too. They litter, they're rude, etc.
Earlier you said:
And I have explained why cyclists know that some drivers are indeed aggressive towards them: punishment passes, honking, etc.
That is moving the goalposts. It's easier to admit that you were wrong and we can all move on.
I said
You said
The brain rot cyclists I'm talking about think all drivers hate cyclists. Everyone knows these assholes hate cyclists. Some of the terminally online types think everyone behind the wheel is like them
It only takes one crash to injure or kill a cyclist -- there's no such thing as a fender bender when you are on two wheels.
Try commuting by bike for a month and you will understand why cyclists are so distrustful of cars in North America. It's a lot scarier than drivers realize.
Our job as sapient beings is to rise above things that scare us and still discuss them rationally.
Give it a shot. Experiment. Learn something new.
You could just not ignore what I said, maybe
You are dismissing the experience of a group of people whose experience you have obviously not shared. Have you looked up statistics of car crashes and the incidence of injuries and deaths of cyclist in your area?? I have. Have you experienced the reality of commuting by bike in a North American city? I have.
I'll be happy to continue this conversation with a person that has done the minimum to learn and understand reality.
No, I am dismissing the concept of basing reasoning - and policy - off of fear, or any emotion. When it comes to making policy and shaping a societal narrative, experience is good. Emotion, however, is very bad.
Nah, we think you're on your phone, asleep at the wheel, halfwitted, careless, angry and frustrated and in a hurry.
And you don't really remember the highway code, because that was some guff you had to study for an exam when you were eighteen. Nobody really drives like that, right?
And you've usually been driving for more than an hour so your minds aren't really on the job.
And you've got the music on really high and it keeps distracting you at important moments.
The few drivers who actually are soulless malevolent murderers who enjoy the thought of running over pedestrians and cyclists really make the other 90% look bad though.