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Have you been following the news this past week?
Perhaps you may want to diversify on those that are feeding propaganda to you ;)
Sure, do you have a source from this past week claiming Ukraine is not losing ground in Kursk?
I don't think he can have. He knows Ukraine has been losing ground in Kursk. But he also understands that this is not really relevant at this point. The Russia has not been advancing in any noticeable manner since early 2022. (Okay, in 2024 they did gain 0.7 % percent of Ukraine's total territory in just one year, but I would not call gaining under one percent of a country's territory advancing, really)
It would be useful for Ukraine to remain in the Kursk area, but what can you do when all your warehouses' and military bases' locations in the area are suddenly known by your enemy? It's a huge task building new ones in different places, and one cannot do so in just a couple of days.
Russia has been gaining ground steadily.
Ukraine is about to be kicked out of Kursk.
I have no satisfaction nor happiness while wearing this, it is just the unfortunate truth.
And the Russia will remain gaining ground at the same steady speed of 0.7 percent per year. In just 7 years, by 2032, they will already have conquered another one twentieth of Ukraine! Ura!
If the Russia keeps its ground gaining steady and does not increase its speed tenfold, then that means the Russia is doing seriously badly. Losing 400 000 soldiers in a year (as dead and wounded, not only dead!) and not managing to unsteady that rate of advance means things are seriously going badly!
Ruzzian wounded may as well be dead. Ruzzia is now fielding battalions of wounded soldiers, going back into battle on crutches, no less. Ruzzians have been told to execute their wounded. Their economy can't support so many wounded, they need the money to refurbish more old tanks.
You’re assuming Ukraine will continue receiving the same level of support it has been receiving so far.
It will not necessarily continue receiving the same level of support. But it will receive support from all EU countries neighbouring the Russia, because that is a lot cheaper than what happens if the Russia gets a result that Putin can advertise as a Russian victory. Because then we are next.
These countries will not end their support anyway. With only our help, the Russia will increase its territorial gains to possibly almost two percent of Ukraine's total territory per year, but those gains will still be far from enough for the Russia to win before its economy goes down. The war will last longer that way, and more Ukrainians will die, but of course Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Sweden don't want to have a war in their own countries. And the Danes are just awesome for reasons I cannot completely understand. We are only a fraction of the size of the whole EU, but we are not in a position to stop supporting Ukraine, and we are enough to slow the Russia enough to keep from winning.
Unfortunately I do not think those European countries can slow down Russia enough. Ukraine has troubles hiring more soldiers. It’s not looking good.
The Russia has those same problems as well, not only Ukraine. And Ukraine has the good thing that if it starts really seriously losing ground because of lack of soldiers, they will get more soldiers. People are scared shitless of what would happen if the Russia took over their homes. Ukraine's problem with the number of soldiers is a self-correcting one.
Also, the Russia needs to pay an increasing amount of money to hire soldiers. They get 200 000 Rubles per month for the service, while in the rural areas 8 000 Rubles per month is a realistic salary for a factory worker. It's a big difference, but anything smaller would not get people to risk their lives. And now that everything is getting more expensive with inflation around 20 %, you can buy all the time less and less bread for those 200 000 Rubles per month. And it's not really Rubles that they are after, but bread and heating. When prices of bread and heating rise, then also the soldiers' requirements for the salary level rise the same amount. There are reports of Russian troops' numbers dwindling.
It is true that Ukraine does have troubles recruiting soldiers, but it is a problem only if those troubles are bigger than how the enemy is faring regarding the same. If the Russia has more troubles recruiting soldiers than Ukraine does, then it's a net positive for Ukraine in the end.
Russia does not have more troubles hiring soldiers than Ukraine.
Not necessarily. But it does habe about the same amount if trouble. Remember that the Russia's manpower consumption is extremely high, so they need to recruit a lot more than Ukraine in order to.keep their army from shrinking in manpower.
No, while Russia may have lost more soldiers than Ukraine overall, Russia has lost a lot less soldiers per capita than Ukraine.
~300000 vs. ~70000. 140 million vs 40 million.
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0,0021 deaths per inhabitant vs 0,0018 deaths per inhabitant.
In military losses including wounded the Russia's situation is better in comparison to population, if.you look at raw numbers: about twice as many losses, but 3½ times the population. But it is always much easier for the defender to recruit soldiers than it is for the aggressor, so you'd need to add a coefficient for that. All in all, these numbers are in the same ballpark. They should not be able to make a huge difference, because both are decreasing at roughly comparable rates.
And I repeat: because of the Russia's exceptionally cruel behaviour in the temporarily occupied regions, the Ukrainians are likely to find much more manpower if manpower shortage becomes acute enough for the Russia to start advancing.
I don't think either side is going to win or lose the war because of manpower shortages.
No, Ukrainians are not more likely to join the war efforts, it has been pretty clearly demonstrated by the difficulties of the Ukrainian army to hire more soldiers.
As Russia keeps advancing, it will further damage the moral of the Ukrainians. Ukraine can not win a war of attrition against Russia.
What do you mean with this "As Russia keeps advancing"? It has not advanced since February 2022. The conversation is a bit difficult when the foundations of the conversation are so uneven. You talk about "Russia advancing", and to my knowledge, that has not happened. Could you please elaborate?
What do you mean it has not advanced since February 2022? That's quite a wild statement. Just look at how many regions have been captured by Russia last year and this year alone.
During the year 2024 the Russia managed to conquer 0.7 % of Ukraine's total land area. Less than a percent.
The areas conquered are indeed many, but that's just because they count places like Niu York and Progress. Those have such weird names because they are old kolkhozes – very big farms. Soviet farms had a lot of workers, and therefore houses, but it is still about conquering a kolkhoz.
Conquering 0.7 % of country's territory is not "advancing". The Russia keeps advertising its 100 metre successes as advancing, and for some weird reason the western media reports about those as advances.
But it is still 0.7 %. A negligible area.
That’s advancing and is not negligible.
Sure. Ukraine is retreating from the Kursk region, with minimal losses. Holding dirt doesn't win wars. Meanwhile they're making huge wins in east (not a ton of dirt, but destroying assets and soldiers), and these strikes into Russia on very strategically important assets.
Thank you for confirming Ukrainian soldiers are getting kicked out from Kursk.
I don't know if you buy this, but Ukraine says it's part of the plan. That sounds like what Russia says. If you don't believe them, why do you believe what Russia says?
I don't believe that withdrawing from Kursk because the Russians are gaining ground day after day is part of some sort of grand plan.
The Russia has not been gaining ground after early 2022. During the year 2024 they gained more ground than anybody in the west expected, because USA stopped its weapon deliveries for 6 months in the end of June 2024.
When the Russia gained ground exceptionally fast, it gained 0.7 % of Ukraine's total territory in that one year. Less than a percent. Okay, technically that is indeed gaining ground, but in the big picture of the war that's an irrelevant amount. If the Russia manages to gain 5 % of Ukraine's territory in 12 months, it's okay to say they are gaining ground. But with the speed they are "advancing" now... Heh.
The Russia gaining ground at a speed of 0.7 % of Ukraine's territory and losing 400 000 soldiers as dead and wounded per year in the process is indeed part of some grand plan of Ukraine's. The Russia won't run out of people with that pace for another 250 years or so, but it will run out of soldiers, because it is losing them faster than it's able to recruit new ones.
You see, we agree Ukraine will run out of soldiers soon.
Why would it? Finland has a total army strength of quite precisely one million if you count in the reserve.
Ukraine has fielded about that many soldiers altogether, perhaps a little less.
Finland has a population of 5.6 million, Ukraine has a population of 40 million. Per capita they have about one seventh of the amount of soldiers compared to Finland. Meaning, they should be, by all logic, able to find another seven times as many soldiers as they have found now. It's weird that the do not!
While Ukrainians' will to go to front is far greater than that of Germans' or the French, the size of Ukraine's army tells of a big problem with motivation. It is super weird, but even under the current circumstances, most Ukrainians don't bother joining to help protect their country. (And because they don't, the current soldiers almost never get relieved for holidays, and that's a reason why people don't want to join the army...)
That is a self-correcting problem. If it happens that Ukraine runs out of soldiers so badly that the Russia will start advancing at a speed of five percent of Ukraine's total territory per year instead of the current 0.7 %, then Ukrainians will get scared and more people will be motivated to move their butts. And then there are enough soldiers again.
The Russia does not have such a self-correcting mechanism with its army size. Actually the opposite: While Ukraine doing badly will motivate more Ukrainians to come for help, the Russia doing badly means their economy is doing badly, and therefore their ability to pay good salaries for their soldiers will be doing badly. Their soldiers are in it for the money. No money --> extremely difficult to find enough Russian soldiers.
You’re being overly optimistic. Ukrainians are already tired of the war effort and as you said many of them aren’t interested in joining the war in the front lines.
Russia advancing faster will only make more people want to stop the massacre, or more people flee abroad.
Of course they want to stop the massacre. Like I said: if the Russia gets too close to winning, and therefore dramatically increasing the scale of the massacre, more people will join to help at the front. You know, it's almost as if people didn't want to die?!
Stop being so obtuse, Yuri :)
I don't exactly either. You ignored half my comment. Do you believe it when Russia says similar things? If so, why? Ukraine has an image they need to sell, but it's even more important for Russia, so don't believe them either.
Ok so if you don’t believe Ukraine here, what other explanation is there to justify the withdrawal from Kursk.
We don’t have to listen to the Russian narrative, we can just think about why Ukrainians would withdraw.
Ukrainians are withdrawing gracefully, probably due to Drumph ceasing all intelligence sharing. Had the ruzzians been in that situation, they'd have just let their soldiers die. Why aren't YOU at the front, comrade?
American support and intelligence has only been paused for one week and has resumed since.
Same question back to you, comrade.
The Ukrainians didn't KNOW it would be only for a week, dumb Yuri ! :)
Why do you resort to insulting me just because you and I have different opinions? That’s very telling of your personality. Do better. Have a good life.
It's not possible to insult a ruzzian orc. Whatever possible derision I can come up with, is still a compliment to a filthy orc, Yuri.