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[-] venotic@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 week ago

And they all died because one psychopathic old fart simply just wanted to take over majority of or the entire country of another for personal gain.

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

Hey, that's not fair! Most of them were not killed, but only mutilated too much to be ableish-bodied enough for the russian army!

(Serious note: this is the casuality number, that includes deaths, but also soldiers with wounds that put them out of service, like lost legs)

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

And then they send the mutilated back out into the trenches literally.

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Nah, just pick up the crutches from the last guy that was in there.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's not mere personal gain with Putin. The man has a vision of returning Russia to glorious Soviet Union. Probably felt kicked in the balls when it all fell apart. Remember, he was the head of the KGB, an extraordinarily powerful man. Maybe even more powerful than the Premier? Dunno.

He likely felt he would quickly crush Ukraine, make them an example, and then move on to other lost, and weaker, countries.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

When he SU fell apart he was clerk in stasi.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago

Yeah, but let's keep hating every russian, because they 'freely choose to enlist' and invade other countries. They love being shelled by Nato artillery 🥰

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

They didn't freely choose to enlist but if you put a gun in my hand and tell me kill that innocent person I will rather shoot the person giving me the order

[-] te_abstract_art@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think both of you are oversimplifying.

Choice and freedom take on an entirely different meaning when you have a state media bombarding you with anti-Ukraine propaganda 24/7. It's easy for us to say from the sidelines that we'd never get swept up in a war against innocents, but probably a lot of the soldiers have been fully indoctrinated with the idea that Ukraine are a threat to their families. Not to mention they probably now have friends and family who have been killed or wounded in this war.

Putin is the real villain here. He not only started the war, he's the one who has kept it going by his refusal to withdraw troops, silenced political opposition, lied to his population, influenced global politics in his favour by buying elections, and used his subjects as fodder in this pointless war.

It's fucking twisted the amount of suffering one thoroughly evil man can cause.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Well, now you are oversimplifying world politics to one man's deeds. As if Nato expansionism did not play any role in the creation of this conflict. Read a little history before 2023 and you'll see acquiring Ukraine is been a race between Nato and Russia since at least 2014.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

Russia had already invaded in 2014, and successfully got a puppet as president in 2010.

NATO doesn't expand by conquest, countries choose freely to join and other countries (especially hostile ones) don't get to dictate the alliances of their neighbours.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Nato is such a saint entity who 'freely' bombs Yugoslavia and Libya.

Nato's whole purpose is to deter Russia and will not stop until whole east Europe is pointing missiles at it. Do you believe that's a 'random freely admittance' policy?

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Yes the whole point of a DEFENSIVE alliance is to defend against a known aggressor, thank you for clarifying

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

So you bought the russian bad, american good story? So naive. Look how that ends for Ukraine now.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

What if I told you they're not an innocent person, they're a Nazi?

And if you refuse to fight Nazis, maybe it's because you're a Nazi yourself, hmm? Maybe we'll investigate you for that, and keep you in prison while we do. And of course we'll be investigating your friends and family to see if there are any Nazis there too.

That's the condensed version, but you get the picture. There's a lot more going on than just "here's a gun, kill them".

[-] SenorBlanco@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago

They were probably told Ukrain had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and so it's their DUTY as defenders of freedom to invade and stop these terrorists! ... oh, wait

[-] Fluke@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Riiiiiigght.

Be conscripted and die, or fight conscription and die.

Cowards to the last man.

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