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AI driver: review of Mark Rober's LIDAR showcase (youtu.be)
submitted 2 weeks ago by Eideen@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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I think AI driver give a good summary of some of issues with the Mark Rober showcase of LIDAR.

  • Some of the bias Mark Rober friendships with the LIDAR supplier.
  • Not using Tesla full self driving
  • Being so nervous that he accidentally disables autopilot, twice.
  • The one sided view in LIDAR, with not show examples of LIDAR have issues.
  • Give a way forward to do the tests with FSD
  • Mark Rober not giving the test his full attention, fun vs scientific process
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[-] Eideen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago
  1. Until someone re do the test, we will not know.
  2. yes if you do it knowingly, then redo it without talking control.
  3. Yes and no, he did put it down as a win.
  4. Mark is an engineer and has a good history of using scientific process. He has previously shown that it can be combined.

I know sadly that Tesla has lost a lot of respect due to Elon, especially over the last 4 years.

Engineer is in large part about balancing cost vs features. Yes the will be cases where LIDAR is better, but it comes at high cost. Think about it what is break over point the where the 0.1% edge case where LIDAR will do better, justify the cost.

If the test that Mark show to unexpected drivers I think many humans drivers will failed. Like spoting a dark stationary object in fog or heavy rain, is very difficult.

[-] mbirth@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago
  1. Until someone re do the test, we will not know.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9KyIWpAevNs

[-] OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
  1. FSD won't solve the "the sensors don't detect the wall" issue
  2. That was not the point of the video.
  3. It did stop, yes. That is a win. Didn't kill the kid. The Tesla didn't. It killed the kid. That's a fail. What's your point?
  4. Why would you run a test multiple times with the high potential for damage to a very expensive vehicle when it's not supposed to be published in a journal? You talk about cost vs features for manufacturers but don't apply that same logic to Rober. Its also a one-off thing for Rober, so the math is better for him than the "cheaper, OK with kids dying" method of Musk.

I think you're underestimating how many situations a LIDAR system will be better than an all camera system. Its also a tradeoff in human lives. I'd rather it be slightly more expensive up front and not have kids die than cheap and kill kids.

And yes. Self driving should be better than humans. Cause humans suck as drivers. We have two cameras in one location in the car. Self driving must be better and make up for the limitations of humans. Cameras dont make up for them and thus are a terrible replacement for humans.

this post was submitted on 20 Mar 2025
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