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‘We Cannot Win’ Says Top Russian Commander (www.kyivpost.com)

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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[-] sammer510@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

because we are not barbarians

Except for Azov, Banderites, and all the other assorted trash you allow to thrive in your shithole

[-] Marzepansion@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Damn, I thought your rules preclude you from making such a racist remark against a nationality. You can go join Trump with calling places "shitholes".

I find this weird support for Russia fascinating. They are clearly not free from nationalists and extremists sentiments themselves. Their own state media is calling for pre-emptive nuking of cities, Ireland being an acceptable collateral when nuking the UK, and their own former prime minister Medveded is yelling on twitter about achieving "Greater Russia". Here's someone who was awarded "Hero of the Russian Federation" by Putin himself.. It's almost as if Russia doesn't actually care, and they are just using it for their propaganda.

Also lol, they're saying they're not going to execute them because they aren't barbarians and giving them time to retreat, and then you take offense to that? That's such an odd stance. I personally applaud when someone says they want to avoid unnecesairy deaths, but you do you.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"You can't call our neo-Nazis trash and our state that celebrates Nazi collaborators a shithole! That's, uh, uh, that's racist!"

America is a shithole, too, if you were wondering.

[-] Marzepansion@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America is a shithole, too, if you were wondering.

I agree it has its problems, but I'm not an American so it's easier to not get deluded by what they call "the American dream". Helps that even in my English classes growing up we dealt with topics such as the rampant poverty issues Americans face, and how many children live in poverty in the US. Though context matters; America is currently not being invaded. If it was a minor country on the world stage I would also not call it a "shithole". Same reason I can detect issues in certain African countries without ever calling them by that name, like one of their presidents did.

If you are from America, calling a country that's been suffering your world hegemony for so long a 'shithole', I can only say you are part of the reason that's the situation, and so you have no rights to call any country a shithole.

"You can't call our neo-Nazis trash and our state that celebrates Nazi collaborators a shithole! That's, uh, uh, that's racist!"

Not every Ukrainian is a Nazi. But sure, let your hate cloud your sense of decency, if that makes you feel better. I'm sure the mothers I've spoken to will be happy their children died because they were Nazis, besides I'm sure their elderly people just had it coming.. /s

Unlike you I don't see them as "acceptable collateral".

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Not every Ukrainian is a Nazi.

Neither myself nor the person you were replying to claimed this. They were talking about "Azov, Banderites, and all the other assorted [fascist] trash."

[-] Marzepansion@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never said the original poster made a general statement about the people, just the country being called a shithole, you came in and added the "can't call neo-nazi's trash anymore", a ridiculous statement I never made. In the context of my response being about how he refers to the country of Ukraine, how can your sarcastic complaint about me not be seen as referring to the the people? That's why I said not every Ukrainian is a Nazi.

My comment was pretty particular about the "your shithole" part. I don't care what negative thing he calls Banderites, and you'll see from my previous comments elsewhere in this thread I have no love for those who adore him.

Also I find it ridiculous you all are very happy to point to problematic groups in one country, yet systematically ignore it in another. Double standards like this is why I have difficulties not seeing the bias at play in these discussions.

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is a blatant lie. The commenter very clearly called all of Ukraine a shithole. Oops, you accidentally revealed your powerlevel.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Unlike you I don't see them as "acceptable collateral".

You should tell NATO that. They don't listen to us but maybe they'll listen to you and stop the killing.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Fascists aren't a race.

[-] Marzepansion@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Please re-read my opening sentence before responding. I'm clearly talking about the 'your shithole' part. I don't care if someone insults fascists. But it's racist to call a place "shithole", especially if the poster is from a 'first world country'.

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Ah your mask fell off, nazi.

[+] JackBruh@lemm.ee -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

OUN leaders Andriy Melnyk (code name Consul I) and Bandera (code name Consul II) both served as agents of the Nazi Germany military intelligence Abwehr Second Department. Their goal was to run diversion activities after Germany's attack on the Soviet Union. This information is part of the testimony that Abwehr Colonel Erwin Stolze gave on 25 December 1945 and submitted to the Nuremberg trials, with a request to be admitted as evidence.

In the spring of 1941, Bandera held meetings with the heads of Germany's intelligence, regarding the formation of "Nachtigall" and "Roland" Battalions. In the spring of that year, the OUN received 2.5 million marks for subversive activities inside the Soviet Union. Gestapo and Abwehr officials protected Bandera's followers, as both organizations intended to use them for their own purposes.

On June 23, 1941, one day after the German attack on the Soviet Union, Bandera sent a letter to Hitler arguing the case for an independent Ukraine. On 30 June 1941, with the arrival of Nazi troops in Ukraine, Bandera and the OUN-B unilaterally declared an independent Ukrainian state ("Act of Renewal of Ukrainian Statehood"). The proclamation pledged a cooperation of the new Ukrainian state with Nazi Germany under the leadership of Hitler with a closing note "Glory to the heroic German army and its Führer, Adolf Hitler". The declaration was accompanied by violent pogroms.

Is this your hero?

[-] sammer510@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

He literally said Putin is worse than Hitler in another comment so I'm thinking maybe Bandera is his hero because he was a Nazi

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Nailed it. That's exactly what the Banderites think.

[-] Marzepansion@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah anyone supporting Banderas really needs to pick up a book that goes through what he did in his life. Whatever good someone might think he did, has been destroyed by his abhorrent actions. I don't applaud Hitler either for his progressive (at the time) animal rights.. He's a shit person, and deserved worse.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

They know what Bandera did. That's what they like about him. He was cleansing their blessed homeland of whatever the Ukrainian word for sub humans is. They are Nazis. They want to kill everyone who isn't like them, and once they're done they'll start killing each other for being insufficient blond haired and blue eyed.

[-] Marzepansion@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

I try not to assume too much about the person on the other end, depending on the age he might just be an edgy teenager lashing out (yeah I know that's ironic with my previous statement). I know my upbringing glossed over certain "troubling" parts of my country's history, and that left me with certain messed up beliefs as well that I had to move past (and I luckily did)

In the end I hope they're someone who is just being edgy and ill-informed and my response at least plants a seed of doubt that is enough to prosper into acquiring the knowledge to move past their current beliefs

But you might be right, I might just be a tad overtly optimistic here. But for me Nazis are an existential threat, so I'd rather convert them early than deal with the repercussions if they ever get political power over people like myself again.