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Trump loses public support during his first 3 months in office
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The party would rather have trump than abandon their only issue.
I hope they're happy. That is all.
I'm sure they are. They got their second choice (well, third, but netanyahu can't run in the US), they're getting the policy they wanted, and they get to blame the left for all of it.
People can't control the party, but they could impact the outcome and choose not to.
Then it's not a party.
If they are significant enough to blame, they were significant enough to listen to.
Yes they were significant enough to listen to, but at some point people need to take accountability. You can only control what you do, not others.
If the party was unwilling to change, they still had a choice to make. They made that choice. They had the ability to impact the outcome and they didn't.
There is more than one issue to care about in the world. Not voting for one side because of a single issue, when the other side has dozens of issues, is accepting that you are ok with either outcome. So those who choose not to vote told the world that they didn't care either way, because they had a chance to impact the outcome and didn't.
You said "The party would rather have trump than abandon their only issue." The reality is, people would rather have Trump than vote against a single issue, and that's what happened. And that single issue is still an issue! It did nothing.
How many more fucking decades before they're listened to, then? Because it's starting to look like "fucking never and we hate you lol."
Yes, they should listen, but it's two separate things. Regardless what the DNC does, each person has a choice, a chance cast a choice.
People had a choice, they could have impacted the outcome and choose not to. Those people, by not doing anything, were accepting that the worser outcome could happen, and they were ok with that. If they weren't, they would have taken action, within their power, to prevent it.
Thank you for confirming that the party will never listen.
They probably won't. But that isn't even the point, it's the deflection. People had an option to vote. They didn't. They are complicit.
Easy for you to say.
You have two parties that represent you.
So just discredit my point of view by labeling me as the enemy. Sounds like you're in a cult sir.
What do you care? I will never have political representation.
Oh right. You want me shut up and pretend to be happy that you have two republican parties that represent you.
Why do I care? Because people who did nothing are trying to deflect the blame. People who didn't vote are just as responsible for the situation we're in and they need to understand that. They need to understand that not voting, especially due to a single issue, can have a very negative outcome.
This isn't about you feeling represented, even though you should. That's the problem, people keep going back to that. They are two separate issues. Not being represented in the way you want doesn't remove your ability to vote for the best choice available.
You can keep insulting me, assuming what I want, and making wild accusations about my political stance. It doesn't change the point and it makes you look like an immature, overly emotional person who can't have a reasonable conversation. Which seems to be the case.
I've never told you to shut up.
I've never talked about my political opinions, of anything I've eluded to not being happy with the situation.
You're just making up things and throwing them at the wall because you don't like my opinion. But instead of engaging with the opinion and discussing it you'd rather play the victim while throwing insults.
I say people can still vote and you respond with "easy for you to say." Yes, it is. Saying facts are easy. Try it. People could vote. They weren't locked in their homes. They had the ability to vote. How is this even a debate?
If you want to have an actual conversation we can. If you just want to talk about me and make wild assumptions, there's no room for a convo.
Of course they could. They didn't. At some point the party is gonna have to actually appeal to them. republicans turned out to vote. But despite all the pandering democrats did in order to try to get their votes, despite siding with evangelical conservatives on Gaza, despite adopting republican policy on immigration, despite offering no counter to all the anti-trans hate, despite the endorsements of two cheneys, despite all that, republicans didn't appreciate any of their efforts and voted for trump anyway.
democrats know how to pursue votes. But they only pursue votes they can't get. But hey, they bear no responsibility whatsoever because you like the direction they're moving in. Any losses from progressives are because progressives can't win. Any losses from centrists are because the voters they hold in withering contempt are just too stupid to vote for people who would throw them under the bus at the first hint of a raised eyebrow from one chewing tobacco enthusiast bigot.
This is still deflecting from the issue I'm talking about. Everyone keeps bringing up what the DNC should have done differently, and you can make a long list of those things, but that is not my point.
My point is, people had a choice, regardless of how they felt about the choices, they could choose Trump or Harris. A large portion of people didn't pick either one. Those people accepted that they were ok with either choice, because if they weren't, they would have prevented the outcome they thought was worse. That is my point. People could have impacted the outcome and chose not to. If they don't like how things are going now, good. They need to remember this next time and realize that voting for the least shitty of the two will at least prevent the worst case scenario. Taking a stance and not voting to send a message doesn't really do shit when the guy you let in office wants to remove term limits and get rid of checks and balances while ignoring the constitution. But hey, I guess at least they feel good about not voting for anything remotely bad as the world burns.
Your point is to ignore that and blame the voters. Sure, why not. Let's concede your point. Great. Voters are at fault and the party has no responsibility to represent them, just to make a token effort to look like they care about being second worst to fascists once in a while.
The last three election cycles, we have run centrists against a reprehensible fascist. Two lost. One won, but it was a squeaker. democrats keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Do you suppose the electorate is going to change? Do you suppose republicans are gonna come around?
Can you like, just not read? I said people should be represented.
I never once said this. This is just you propping up this argument to avoid addressing any points I made. I said people who didn't vote did not take their opportunity to prevent this. That's just reality and facts my guy. If those upset you, I dunno what to say, you can try alternative facts, I hear republicans love those.
I dunno, but what I do know is you're not capable of having a conversation about those things. Why would I? You would just tell me how I feel and then insult me about it lol. You're not interested in a convo, you just want to mindlessly yell at someone without having to consider a new viewpoint at all. Just insult someone who disagrees, you sound like a republican for sure. And unable to address the actual topic, seems very republican too. Making up stuff I didn't say and using that in your argument, that seems very republican in nature. You must love where we're at huh? Everyone is acting like you.
Listen, you're too emotional and caught up in yourself to have an actual conversation. You can't help but make wild assumptions, put words in my mouth, and run away with concepts I don't even agree with. You are part of the problem with the system. You ignore reality and just yell how you feel a lot, yell about how the ideal world should be, without being grounded in reality at all or even being willing to discuss it. You look at the world like a child, and argue like one too. Unable to address actual points, so you just make up stuff and rant about it. You don't need me for that; you seem more than capable of arguing with yourself.
Who has to change? The party or the voters? I think you'll find that the voters won't. The party must.
Ok