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[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 months ago

I think "stomping down" is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family... Asking them "how do I change your mind" or "what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side" has shown me some people can't be helped.

I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I'm super happy.

[-] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

The ones that can't be reasoned with; They have to be stomped down. We tried to be nice to the maggots, but it didn't work.

[+] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 months ago

That some primo Trump speech right there my guy. How about we don't stop of anyone and recognize bad social conditions lead people to make bad choices?

Or you can just enjoy your time being the oppressor I guess.

[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

I'm curious why you're being down voted so hard.

I'm also curious how I would "stomp down" my family member to not love everything trump does. We're both Canadian and they haven't been to the us in my life time....

To me, there's no talking to the extreme of either side. If a logical and factual conversation can't change someone's mind then I don't know what will.

[-] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago

Because 4 year olds with cancer are being sent to concentration camps in the US. If you can politely talk to your family members and reason with them, this is always ideal. I get that it's easy to be sucked down the alt-right pipeline. But if they're literal nazis, far beyond reasoning with, I'm sorry. And if that hurts your feelings, you're a nazi sympathizer.

[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Yea. Fuckers are saying "stomp them down seems harsh", "maybe he doesn't mean that".

STOMP THEM DOWN. Crush the movement like they are roaches. These people ARE NOT HUMAN! They think like aliens. They cheer as people are unconstitutionally dragged away to concentration camps ... it is a one way trip.

Destroy the Canadian "MAGA" movement now, or get prepped to literally fight them in the streets like the US is doing. Yes, people are physically stopping ICE.

[-] parody@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago

Genuinely curious if this isn’t like curb stomping we’re talking about, a metaphorical kind, etc.?

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

Be careful, dehumanizing your opposition is Nazi shit. I agree they must be stopped but surely some percentage can be deprogrammed.

[+] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca -6 points 2 months ago

Doesn't hurt my feelings at all but just because they're not following the laws doesn't mean we can or should ignore the laws. I'm all for letting trump die in the same hole they're sending the kids to. I also think he should have never been voted in and they need to arrest him months ago.

The MAGA people in general are a problem but they're not THE problem. If you think they all should be "Stomped down" you're just as bad as they are, just on a different side.

We need to support and educate people around this and as long as they're not violent or breaking any laws then there's nothing that we can really do. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and freedom. Just because you disagree with it, regardless of the side you're on, doesn't mean we can or should stomp them down.

[-] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Let me get this out of the way. We are 100% in agreement or at least 99%. But I don't think you understand, a large portion of these people ARE the problem. These people couldn't give a flying fuck about education, that's why they voted for people to dismantle the education system.

Look, if there still isn't something you're getting, it's probably because you don't have the bigger picture. The very same "innocent people" you talk about are cheering this on in the US. Don't assume people's intentions based on your own.

You're not talking to an extremist, but someone who has tried to love and educate these people for years. It's just not working because they already know what they stand for.

[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Then how do you deal with it without becoming a problem yourself?

The people who don't care about education are still people and deserve all the same rights we have. You can't just send them away.

[-] msage@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

They will send you away, and then there's nobody else to stop them.

So what goal do you want to achieve?

[-] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

I saw a protest sign recently that said "First they came for the Socialists, and that's why I'm out here in the street because I know the rest of the poem"