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Volkswagen has overtaken Tesla as Europe's top EV seller
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Watch out for BYD from China.
Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Australia BYD is smashing it.
They represent incredible value for money and it's not like we've got a local industry to protect - our conservative government made sure of that.
We're already the world's dumping ground for shit vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, so having a non-Elon Musk EV alternative is something people are grabbing with both hands. We bought a BYD Seal Performance for $70k AUD a little over a year ago. For that money you get an incredibly comfortable sedan that does 500k on a charge, costs about $1 per 100km to run, and does 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.
EU vehicles are crazy overpriced by comparison, and because they try and position Mercedes / BMW / VW as luxury brands here the servicing and repair costs are through the roof. Part availability also sucks, with everything being a 6+ week lead time. We've owned European vehicles on several occasions and never again.
What about Japanese options?
Like what?
Korea has a few (Hyundai, Kia / same,same) but the only Japanese options are [P]HEV or the Toyota BZ4X which is... ugly... if it didn't have a Toyota badge I don't think they'd sell any of them. Few old Leafs still hanging in there, but if you want to go more than 100k at a time that's them ruled out.
300km+ range for the Leaf these days and they've got the Ariya that has over 400km of range, but I just checked and they don't seem to offer either in Australia...
Guess you're truly stuck with Chinese and Korean models then...
It’s not just Lemmy. Also Reddit
I don't go there anymore so I don't know 🤷
Because they present amazing value (at Chinese prices) and really advanced battery technology.
Well, they do make pretty nice cars.. I have a dolphin, and it is great value for the money :)
Chinese electric cars are great value.
If you don't consider the impact that sending yet more manufacturing jobs to China will have in the long run and the fact that they have great value because what China is doing is called dumping and the goal is for them to have a monopoly so they can eventually increase prices without having any competitors.
Yes, China dumps EVs on other markets.
But here are some extra insights to consider about the issue:
None of this is intended to condone China or any country dumping products, but as a warning about having overly simplified reactions to an issue without understanding the bigger picture.
Maybe the US should subsidize more renewable and battery manufacturing inside its borders.
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/renewable/trump-administration-cancels-clean-energy-grants-as-it-prioritises-fossil-fuels/119687122
Oh.
Also slave labor.
Damn I have not heard about the Chinese enslaving black Africans to work at plantations yet.
They're doing a lot of exploitation in Africa. Look it up if you truly haven't heard
"They're much cheaper than comparable cars!"
People never think about where the savings come from, as long as they can buy stuff.
Seeing people who call themselves left wing defending globalism will always be funny to people like me who are left wing and were protesting against it back in the day.
On the other hand, the right in America is in the process of destroying globalism and is rightly mocked for it because they themselves are suffering the worst.
The issue is the way they're trying to put an end to it. A plan like the government giving priority to local manufacturers and forcing international bidders to build factories in the country is one thing. Imposing tariffs without any plans to compensate locally is just plain dumb.
And yet they’re not just going about it the most boneheaded way they can think of, but have been actively killing off Biden era incentives to do what they claim they want.
If they actually cared about manufacturing locally, they would support those incentives, and support the infrastructure bill
If auto subsidies are dumping, the US has been dumping for ages.
Where did you see me mention that it's ok for the US to do it?
So, since china is evil and wrong for making an affordable car when elon doesn't want them to, who is allowed to make an affordable electric car?
Eh... What are you going on about? Dumping is wrong no matter who does it and there's more than Tesla and Chinese offerings on the market.
Right after biden put in his trumpian tariffs against an automaker to protect musk.
If a country is dumping in your market and threatening your own industry you impose tariffs to compensate or you risk losing jobs and you'll have a much bigger issue to deal with.
I hope you're not the kind of person that complains about the middle class disappearing because right now you're defending what made it disappear.
Also, welcome to the world, which isn't just the US, this thread is about the European market where Biden didn't impose tariffs.
Cheap cars aren't what killed the middle class.
Nope. Just kicked open the door so trump could.
Opening the door to Chinese stuff and killing the manufacturing industry in North America and Europe is one of the main things that killed the middle class.
Trump didn't impose tariffs on China in Europe either.
You have a serious reading comprehension issue, you should go back up the chain and reread everything but this time take the time to actually understand the message.
That ship has sailed, like 50 years ago
I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.
Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.
Don't want to protect elon musk's swastikar LLC with tariffs? Must be a tankie! Want to buy a cheap electric vehicle? tankie!
Fuck the Tankies fuck communism entirely, I just got back from Cambodia, got an economics degree and like capitalism, China's a bunch of dickheads.
BYD is going to change the world.
It's the classic incumbents move slow into new tech. Added with government investment, low labour costs, access to raw materials/adjacent industries, hungry growth focused companies, semi crazy workforce.
I haven't drove a BYD or even a electric car for that matter but reading the stats things are going to move fast and the rate they move is going to increase. I can see all the west companies largely losing their overseas market, other than luxury, inside cities. The world's moved on and people don't realise.
Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.
AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.
So all BYD has to do is the absolute minimum to make a BEV into a hybrid. So like, a model aircraft engine and a bike dynamo? It doesn't have to charge the batteries well. And you can put it on a module that can be easily removed. Maybe sell the car with a little display case for the removed module, just to be extra cheeky.
I think EU needs to recognize it as a hybrid, so no.
That seems arbitrary.
I bet it's not, and that there are clear regulations for it.
That's the way things usually are with such classifications.
Especially for something that for years had a significant TAX credit.
Yeah, that's why I suspected it was easy to game.
EU is neither as corrupt nor as incompetent as you seem to think.
Maybe you are thinking about USA?
We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.
I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.