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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by sonovebitch@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

Yesterday (19/08/2023) everything worked fine. Today (20/08/2023) I can no longer login to Twitch using Firefox. I restarted browser and cleared cache. No change.

EDIT: I tried again after 30min and it works again. I have some privacy-oriented plugins but I don't play with custom useragent.

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Btw there's no point in using Privacy Badger if you already have uBlock Origin.

[-] envis10n@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

They don't block the same things every time, so it's perfectly fine to have both.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

What does uBlock not block that isn't in its filters?

[-] envis10n@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

uBlock blocks things solely based on them being in a filter list. Privacy badger blocks form controls and html elements that can allow tracking. Those are different things.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

uBlock Origin does that and way more. That's just wrong lol

[-] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 3 points 1 year ago

Your username is the stuff of nightmares

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Does uBO replace/block fb widgets on sites? It was the main reason I kept Privacy Badger alongside it and just didn’t bother removing when uBO just got more advanced.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. I think it's in the annoyance tab in the settings. Go to filters and you can enable it, there's a ton.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Doesn't firefox have an official add-on that's installed by default that does that?

[-] flurry@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The more lines of defense the better

EDIT: to the dumbfucks downvoting this comment I’ll clarify so you can learn something today :

uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger are not the same thing. Privacy badger is focused on blocking trackers but wont block ads.

uBlock origin will try to block trackers based on a list, but it might not be updated or exhaustivew That’s where privacy badger comes handy, it should pick up most of trackers that will go through uBlock origin.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
[-] flurry@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Ublock origin blacklisted trackers list might not be exhaustive so privacy badger will pick up.

Btw I’d love to have a nice explanation on how it works if you think I’m wrong

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Posted this in another comment, but this is why:

Thanks to disclosures from Google Security Team, we are changing the way Privacy Badger works by default in order to protect you better. Privacy Badger used to learn about trackers as you browsed the Web. Now, we are turning “local learning” off by default, as it may make you more identifiable to websites or other actors.

From now on, Privacy Badger will rely solely on its “Badger Sett” pre-trained list of tracking domains to perform blocking by default. Furthermore, Privacy Badger’s tracker database will be refreshed periodically with the latest pre-trained definitions. This means, moving forward, all Privacy Badgers will default to relying on the same learned list of trackers for blocking.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/privacy-badger-changing-protect-you-better

It's just using filters like uBlock Origin since the training was considered a critical security issue that fundamentally broken. The article is the devs talking about it in more indepth.

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I still use both, and already knew about this change. Is it useless overkill to keep both? Probably. But Privacy Badger also enables the GPC signal to let sites know you want to opt out of data sharing under the CCPA and GDPR. (You can enable GPC in about:config in Firefox, but that's a hassle to do on every device, and extensions can be synced across devices)

I'm sure there's plenty of discussion to be had around the effectiveness of the GPC, but to be it's worth it even if it's just as a stat of users that care about data privacy. There's also always a chance that something makes it to Privacy Badger's Blocklist before uBlock Origin's (although it's probably more likely to be the other way around).

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 0 points 1 year ago

Privacy Badger also relies on blocklists.

[-] flurry@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No I don’t think so, or they lie.

« Instead of keeping lists of what to block, Privacy Badger automatically discovers trackers based on their behavior »

Source : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-badger17/#:~:text=Instead%20of%20keeping%20lists%20of,companies%20not%20to%20track%20you.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks to disclosures from Google Security Team, we are changing the way Privacy Badger works by default in order to protect you better. Privacy Badger used to learn about trackers as you browsed the Web. Now, we are turning “local learning” off by default, as it may make you more identifiable to websites or other actors.

From now on, Privacy Badger will rely solely on its “Badger Sett” pre-trained list of tracking domains to perform blocking by default. Furthermore, Privacy Badger’s tracker database will be refreshed periodically with the latest pre-trained definitions. This means, moving forward, all Privacy Badgers will default to relying on the same learned list of trackers for blocking.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/privacy-badger-changing-protect-you-better

[-] flurry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I was unaware of that change, even their website still promote heuristics.

That being said, it’s not the same list as uBlock origin so you might have trackers going through ublock origin blocked by privacy badger or the opposite.

My point is, why not use both ?

[-] AntBas@eslemmy.es 3 points 1 year ago

Because it makes your fingerprint more unique

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

uBlock filters already covers everything privacy badger blocks. It's better to have less extensions then more. More code that can cause security issues, which is why local learning was disabled in the first place. More is not always better.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

That used to be the default behaviour, now it's disabled but you can still enable this feature in its settings.

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago
[-] goryramsy@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago
[-] flurry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ublock origin blacklisted trackers list might not be exhaustive so privacy badger will pick up.

Btw I’d love to have a nice explanation on how it works if you think I’m wrong

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