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Biden officials vent frustrations in dealing with Netanyahu, decry missed chance of Saudi deal
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Headline aside, the thread pretty clearly outlines that the US side were doing everything to prevent an actual genocide, even suggesting the neighboring arab states secure the gaza strip temporarily.
The major quotes about genocide being the plan were by the Israeli military veteran and ambassador to the US Michael Herzog, not the US.
Because there wasn't an actual genocide in Gaza already? If they were trying to prevent a genocide they were failing miserably.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we're still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn't eradicated under Biden. I'm sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I'm sure Biden was working to prevent it.
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that's 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump's Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
EDIT: rough morning, digit numbers fixed
It's been a genocide for over a year
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Let's not pretend that Trump's plan to forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza isn't a revival of the same plan put forth by Biden behind closed doors.
The only obligation the US has, under the Leahy Law and International Law, is to cease weapons transfers to Israel for violating human rights and perpetrating crimes against humanity.
Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist, he absolutely supported this genocide, both materially, diplomatically, and ideologically.
Uh... What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
I thank you for correcting my zero count, I will do the same for you, 40,000 is only 5. It's been a rough morning for me.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they're not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
Dude, you know you've lost the plot when you're resorting to deflecting and whataboutism.
When you have to start your argument with a fucking Merriam Webster definition, you should realize that your argument is shit. (This is of course the royal "you")
Clearly my good faith discussion was wasted on you and Gofer.