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Fearful of Trump, some Americans look to make a life in Europe
(www.reuters.com)
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How do you visit family? You have to get a visa every time?
I haven't been back. I never want to set foot in that godforsaken country ever again. And even if I wanted to, I have no intention of surrendering my electronic devices, disclosing my online activities or being frisked by the ~~Gestapo~~DHS.
My family comes here to visit - which they're glad to do anyway because the place in live in is much nicer and much more peaceful than their depressing corner or American suburbia.
The oligarchs suck, but the country really is beautiful. Glacier National Park, Yosemite, Yellowstone, etc.
I could never give up access to that beauty. BANF is nice I guess, but being able to just fuck off in the wilderness year-round (go south in winter, go north in summer) is something I haven't found in any other country on 4 Continents.
I also would never unlock my phone when ordered. If they ever asked, they'd just steal it (off and encrypted) and I'd buy a replacement. Only $100 lost. Not a big deal.
Bavaria too is lovely, but I wouldn't have wanted to be there in 1934. Beautiful nature isn't enough.
Thats true, but the Nazis lost and Bravaria is still there.
Eventually US fascism will loose, and I dont want to give up my access to return and explore that gorgeous wilderness when it does
It's true, but...
The 3rd Reich lasted 12 years and had been 10 years in the making when Hitler took power.
The US had been a crypto-fascist state since 2001, since Dubya started the nazification of America with the USA Patriot Act and Gitmo. That's 24 years ago - 24 years that I've stayed clear away from that dangerous place. So it took 2.4 time longer to turn actively fascist than Germany.
Now it's a fully fledged fascist state. If history is any indication, it might take 30 years to be defeated. Even if it took only 15, I'm old enough that I might not be around to enjoy a return trip to a democratic USA.
You have nice family. When I moved abroad, my dad screamed at me saying "nobody will ever come visit you"
Indeed, it's generally true. And the nice thing of being more difficult to pay a visit to is, my less favorite family members always find an excuse not to come so I don't even have to find an excuse not to receive them 🙂