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Ah yes the "enlightened" democracies
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As someone from the U.S., given the history we know about the Trail of Tears and trying to erase Native Americans from existence, this isn’t surprising in the least. Sad, yes, but not surprising.
Just like all the colonial powers voting "I don't know about this one dawg" because they know their history
Yep we boned it, learn from us and be better.
I hate to tell you this, but basically every country has the same story, except the very young. They don't need to learn from our history; they should learn from their own.
"everyone else does it to!" Is always the favourite defence of abusers
...wait, you thought this was a defense? I'm sorry, perhaps I worded it poorly then.
If you weren't defending it, in would say you definitely worded it poorly
shit amerikkkans say
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples
What makes you think it's not true? A gander through the history of genocide shows how horrifyingly common it is
It's horrifyingly common among European countries. That's not "every country" unless you think only westerners are civilized.
Somali, Chile, Argentina, south Africa, Japan, Korea, China. It's horrifyingly common no matter what area.
Also, what part of genocide do you think is about being civilized...?
South African apartheid was a Dutch colonial project. There's been no genocide in China and the one in Korea was perpetrated by the US.
Either you have the shittiest reading comprehension or you're deliberately misrepresenting the argument to twist it into such a comical interpretation. You're the one that said "every country" and proceeded to link to a NATOpedia page that fails to list a whole bunch of European/US genocides and even then is short, oh, about 96% of countries on earth.
Despite numerous instances of racial discrimination in many Latin American countries (most often at the hands of CIA backed organizations like Pinochet's government or the Brazilian junta) the fact is that none of these countries were founded on a war in favor of maintaining slavery and expanding into indigenous lands. In fact, most were founded by the descendants of indigenous peoples casting off the their colonial masters.
To say that every country has been founded via genocide is to imply this is just a normal, unavoidable thing, which is genocide apologia. I wish westerners would stop whitewashing their Nazi ass societies like smearing the rest of us is a good alternative to doing something about the legacy of violence you were raised by.
Japan did one pretty huge on them.
Right, I just meant under the conditions specified, by the Chinese people to ethnic minorities for the purpose of resettling etc.
You started this saying that most countries had been FOUNDED on genocides. Stop twisting yourself up in knots to insist that it's very normal that a nation has had an uninterrupted body of government after they either completely or partially eradicated the native population.
I clarified in another comment I meant had done genocide, not founded on it. And yes, most. Not every.
I'm not saying it's good. Quite the opposite in fact. I want People to just understand it's not some united states special. However, it is much more more typical than people want to think it is
I never referred to it as unavoidable. That was you making things up. It is avoidable, as long as we work together to stop it
No, you just claimed it had almost never been avoided.
Anyway, this is pointless. You keep flip flopping from one argument to a different one in the space of two comments and back again all in the service of normalizing genocides of mostly European origin then going "oh guis I'm just spreading awareness that it's not just the US" like that's profound. Counting genocides perpetrated against a population as proof of genocide being common by almost every population is just the intellectual bankruptcy cherry on top.
You are making things up, things that I haven't said. Most countries have stories of genocide of one people or another. That is not saying it is inevitable, it's just history.
Several of which you stated were which weren't...
I was not. You twisted the truth like the korean one, and assumed I was talking about different ones than I was. More however, I said countries--not populations, which would be quite the different subject. Plenty have primarily been targeted by genocides. You underestimate how much genocide takes place, and continually make things up to pretend it's just a European problem. Wholly ignoring that one of the active present ongoing genocides is being perpetrated by china.
Now thats some biiiig projection
Lots of countries committed colonialism, not many countries committed genocide on the native population and stole their land to create and expand their nation. The U.S. and Israel are members of a short list.
I was more referring to general genocide than specifically native populations--but even that there is no shortage of countries like Australia, Canada, and japan that have done as such.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples
There is a depressingly high number.
Ok? Those are the ones we were talking about on this map, youre moving the goalposts from "every" to "yeah the whole international community" which was the point to begin with. These countries get on their high horse when they have an exceptionally genocidal history.
My point was meant to point out how countries with genocidal histories like to point out others as the ones to avoid repeating examples of rather than their own history.
You're being straight up racist assuming it's only white western countries commit genocides.
Lmao and there it is. Racism against the whites.
...yeah because you said genocide was special to western countries.... I'm not some "the whites are getting genocided" person. You denied the genocides perpetrated by other countries and said it was special to typical white countries with a very clear implication.
Lots of countries committed colonialism, not many countries committed genocide on the native population and stole their land to create and expand their nation. The U.S. and Israel are members of a short list.