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Russian Soldiers Say They Are Viewed With Disgust in Moscow.
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War won't ever stop. It's part of the human condition. Some persons and groups of people will always feel entitled to what others have on the basis of relative standing as viewed from thier viewpoint.
War is fueled by a system that has nothing human about it. Just like dogs humans are not violent by nature, they become mad when they are put in a corner. These days the average person would never hurt someone else directly and that's why governments spend billions on propaganda to turn everyone against each other
Dogs most certainly are violent by nature. You are explicitly talking about DOMESTICATED dogs which are man made and not nature
You can also upset a dog without putting it in a corner. Approach a dog and it’s pup or a dog approaching another dog that is eating, violence easily can erupt both with strange dogs and known ones.
You’re projecting your perception of your own humanity onto all dogs and it’s not working for you or your point.
I do agree that the people are purposefully pitted against each other but that is internal to nations and doesn’t explain international war. Do you think Ukraine and the Russians pitted their peoples against each other to start this war? Or did Russian invade and cause it all by themselves?
Are they? I don't recall teaching my dog not to bite people, they just were treated good and don't do it
is this a dogwhistle (pun intended) for eugenics in the human race, the way that we have selectively bred dogs to meet compatibility criteria?
so... just to clarify. you realize that violence is part of who we've always been? The reason our hands can make a decent fist at all is to be used as clubs.
weapons are among the first, if not the first, forms of technology ever developed in prehistory. And probably not even by homo sapiens. We've never been not-violent. and you can see this in other primates like baboons and chimps and gorillas, which absolutely conduct their version of warfare.
And like humans, dogs are also aggressive by nature. they are largely taught not to be as puppies. but left to their own understandings, they will be aggressive.
Do you realize that a fist can be used to break a coconut and not smash someone head? Humans evolved to be smart not to be violent
You…. Ever try to, uh, smash a coconut with your fist?
Curious how that went.
“We evolved to be smart!”
And most of the first tools we created are absolutely classified as “weapons”
Literally the first widespread tool in human history was a fucking handaxe.
Second was a spear.
Dude is just talking pure nonsense.
Tools were made to do work. Monkey use rocks to break nuts
Chimps use clubs to fish as well as in fighting other chimps.
Using a rock might be “tool use” but it’s not “tool manufacture” for that they’d have to substantially modify the rock (say by flaking off chips to form an edge, or shaping a stick into a cudgel.) among humans the first tools made we’re probably cudgels- used for fighting (both other people and animals. Aka, a weapon.) and possibly stone anvils and axes.
(Hand axes would have been more tool than weapon until fitted onto a haft. Then it would be either a spear or an ax.)
Cudgel is as made as regular rock. Just branch picked up from ground. Earliest axes that are basically sharpened stones and as weapon are about as useful as not sharpened stone, but provide ability to shape wood.
You should try to smash one with your head at last it would become useful for something
Humans are absolutely naturally violent. They're naturally selfish, violent monsters. We teach our kids to not be that way from a very young age (prior to 1 years old, generally) and reinforce it constantly and yet it is still very common to see children/young adults acting out violently.
It's absurd to me that anyone could assume humans are not naturally violent.
Just because you are a monster don't assume everyone else is
Seriously?
Someone mentioned that humans have (historically) had a tendency towards violence, and your only take from that was to call them a monster? Are you just projecting, or what happened there?
Gee, i guess we'd better tell all of the families of murdered people that their loved ones weren't actually murdered. You know, since you seem to think that humans don't have a natural capacity for violence, so there must have been some other reason (doubt it). We should also tell the starving people that it's not greed keeping them hungry, it's magic.
It's not like we're mammals or anything. We're TOTALLY immune to the same things that plague almost every species on this planet. Totally.
relevant rant.
I don't particularly like Rossman... but I do like that rant.
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I really don't like "it's part of the human condition", "it is human's nature" and other BS. I recommend you to go out and watch how kids play. Suddenly you will see opposite of fairy tale told by militant pensioners.
ok
yeah, so anyone whose ever watched a couple toddlers playing together knows they have to be taught to share. When they're learning, they're absolutely violent little monsters. if you google all the advice given for how to deal with aggressive toddlers in day care... you'll see that your little angels... really aren't.
I said about kids that play outside, most kids who play outside aren't toddlers, but you decided to mention them. Well, counterclaim: toddlers chew everything just because, toddlers smash everything just because and toddlers yell all the time just because. It is not their intention to hurt another toddler.
If this is how you think, it tells a lot about your ethics.
I'm pointing at toddlers because they haven't mastered the self control necessary to conceal and manage their aggression. In that regard, toddlers are the most honest appraisal of our instinctual inclination. Being not-aggressive is a learned behavior. the concept of "playing nice" is a learned behavior... children have to be taught how to play nice. they have to be taught what is fair, and to regulate their impulses. but those impulses remain there, and sometimes come back out as adults. Which... is kinda why there's a shit load of violence in the world. and always has been.
So it is their instinct is to lick electronics and destroy it? Chew things and destroy? Smash things and destroy? Well, ok, licking, chewing and smashing kinda is their instinct, but not smashing. Since you mentioned learning, all of this is learning. Basically when they are presented with new thing, their instinct is to learn it. "How it feels? Is it warm? Does it taste good? Can I eat it? What's inside?". Abstract agression is a mean to get attention, that also learned. "Wanted to eat, but thing that was held is not eadible, but after banging it I was fed? Do it again". Same about directed agression towards peers and mentioned by you learning to share: "after moving arm towards that thingy I was awarded with toy? Do it again".
Yes and they also kids(that are "old" enough to talk) have much better sense of fairness than most adults do. Watch how THEY(kids who can communicate) play.
Yes. In yong age it's called being silly, when they get older it's called learning, later called studying and when they are adults they call it doing scientific research.
When adults are violent, they are not acting as kids. It is kids when violent are acting as adults.
What I will say you can use as argument too, but it hasn't. Just century ago world was much, MUCH more violent.