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Screenshot of a tumblr post by hbmmaster:
the framing of generative ai as “theft” in popular discourse has really set us back so far like not only should we not consider copyright infringement theft we shouldn’t even consider generative ai copyright infringement
who do you think benefits from redefining “theft” to include “making something indirectly derivative of something created by someone else”? because I can assure you it’s not artists
okay I’m going to mute this post, I’ll just say,
if your gut reaction to this is that you think this is a pro-ai post, that you think “not theft” means “not bad”, I want you to think very carefully about what exactly “theft” is to you and what it is about ai that you consider “stealing”.
do you also consider other derivative works to be “stealing”? (fanfiction, youtube poops, gifsets) if not, why not? what’s the difference? because if the difference is actually just “well it’s fine when a person does it” then you really should try to find a better way to articulate the problems you have with ai than just saying it’s “stealing from artists”.
I dislike ai too, I’m probably on your side. I just want people to stop shooting themselves in the foot by making anti-ai arguments that have broader anti-art implications. I believe in you. you can come up with a better argument than just calling it “theft”.
Yeah, I don't agree. Unfortunately I'm not articulate enough to explain why I feel this way. I feel like they are glossing over things. How would you describe corporations willfully taking art/data/content form others without any permission, attribution, or payment and creating a tool with said information for the end goal of making profits by leveraging the work of others into a derivative work that completes with the original?(Holy run on sentence) If there is a better word or term than theft for what generative ai does then they should use it instead.
It's basically for-profit piracy. Which is still kind of a shitty term because actual pirates weren't copying any of the goods they were taking.
The most neutral term might be copyright infringement, though that carries all the baggage of the 'should copyright even exist'-discussion.
Alternatively, you could shout 'they took our jobs' to complain that they are letting algorithms and engineers do the work that artists want to do. IDK what to call this, but 'theft' or 'robbery' doesn't sound right.
I think the biggest problem is that the idea of copyright is good, but the implementation - in most places, anyways - is complete dogshit.
Like, I'm fairly certain the original implementation of copyright in the US only lasted 10 years or thereabouts. Like, that's more than enough time to profit off whatever you made but short enough that it'll be usable by others within their lifetimes. This whole "life of the author + 100 years" shit needs to die.