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this post was submitted on 22 May 2025
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Yes. Or treat trans women as women. Because that's what they are. Name a situation where you think this would be problematic and I'll show you why it's patently absurd.
So anyone can self identify as anything and switch around on a whim, or whats the determining factor?
If I get arrested can I say I'm a female and get put in a women's prison for instance, or do I need gender affirming surgery, what's the stipulations and the fleshed out plan?
at least you bring forward an actual argument.
i've seen so many transphobes who just say "god didn't want it" and that's the end of the story. we need more discussion in our world, and we need good arguments; even if i don't agree with you.
Regardless of gender, if there is a prisoner who is likely to perpetrate sexual violence, then the great care needs to be taken to ensure the safety of other prisoners. Cis people are plenty capable of committing sexual assault. Trans people are far more likely to be victims of sexual violence than perpetrators of it.
Let me turn that around on you:
Should a male-presenting, gay sex offender go to a male prison or female prison? What is the purpose of gendered prisons? What problem is it trying to solve? And why are we using gender for that instead of "likely victims of the incarcerated individual"?
Gendered prisons are a ridiculous notion that only exist because our prison system itself is completely fucked up, profit-driven, and inhumane. It produces worse outcomes than almost any other form of legal consequences except in extreme cases.
I've got one for you, and it's not even hypothetical. Man rapes two women, gets caught, but transitions before being sentenced.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64796926
What's your point? Cool story, still raped two women. Don't put violent sex offenders with the demographic they victimized. Should lesbian sex offenders be incarcerated with other women? Probably not, right?
You've just made a great argument for why gendered prisons are a ridiculous notion in the first place, and why results-based decision making is more important than broad, impersonal classification-based decision making.
And that's before we even talk about how the overwhelming majority of prisons in general are inhumane and ineffective at reducing crime.
I'm not making a point, I'm responding to your request: "treat trans women as women. Because that’s what they are. Name a situation where you think this would be problematic" with the Isla Bryson case.
Initially she was treated as a woman and chucked in a female-only prison. According to you, this is 100% correct.
I agree with your point about prisons in general not being a brilliant solution to crime, being known as universities for criminals. But that - and gendered prisons - are what we've got, and we aren't going to rebuild the entire criminal justice system around the tiny number of trans criminals have a problem with this.