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C is one of the top languages in terms of speed, memory and energy

https://www.threads.com/@engineerscodex/post/C9_R-uhvGbv?hl=en

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[-] brisk@aussie.zone 35 points 2 months ago

For those who don't want to open threads, it's a link to a paper on energy efficiency of programming languages.

[-] brisk@aussie.zone 41 points 2 months ago
[-] Mihies@programming.dev 14 points 2 months ago

Also the difference between TS and JS doesn't make sense at first glance. 🤷‍♂️ I guess I need to read the research.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago

My first thought is perhaps the TS is not targeting ESNext so they're getting hit with polyfills or something

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[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I guess we can take the overhead of rust considering all the advantages. Go however... can't even.

[-] Kacarott@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Even Haskell is higher on the list than Go, which surprises me a lot

[-] Colloidal@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

But Go has go faster stripes in the logo! Google wouldn't make false advertising, would they?

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Now we just need a language with flames in the logq

[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For Lua I think it's just for the interpreted version, I've heard that LuaJIT is amazingly fast (comparable to C++ code), and that's what for example Löve (game engine) uses, and probably many other projects as well.

[-] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 5 points 2 months ago

WASM would be interesting as well, because lots of stuff can be compiled to it to run on the web

[-] benjhm@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Indeed, here's an example - my climate-system model web-app, written in scala running (mainly) in wasm
(note: that was compiled with scala-js 1.17, they say latest 1.19 does wasm faster, I didn't yet compare).
[ Edit: note wasm variant only works with most recent browsers, maybe with experimental options set - if not try without ?wasm ]

[-] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 5 points 2 months ago

I have no clue what I am looking at but it is absolutely mesmerizing.

[-] benjhm@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Oh, it's designed for a big desktop screen, although it just happens to work on mobile devices too - their compute power is enough, but to understand the interactions of complex systems, we need space.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago

I would be interested in how things like MATLAB and octave compare to R and python. But I guess it doesn't matter as much because the relative time of those being run in a data analysis or research context is probably relatively low compared to production code.

[-] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago

Is there a lot of computation-intensive code being written in pure Python? My impression was that the numpy/pandas/polars etc kind of stuff was powered by languages like fortran, rust and c++.

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

Looking at the Energy/Time ratios (lower is better) on page 15 is also interesting, it gives an idea of how "power hungry per CPU cycle" each language might be. Python's very high

[-] GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Every time I get surprised by the efficiency of Lisp! I guess they mean Common Lisp there, not Clojure or any modern dialect.

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[-] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

For Haskell to land that low on the list tells me they either couldn't find a good Haskell programmer and/or weren't using GHC.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Wonder what they used for the JS state since it's dependent on the runtime.

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[-] mbirth@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Does the paper take into account the energy required to compile the code, the complexity of debugging and thus the required re-compilations after making small changes? Because IMHO that should all be part of the equation.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

It's a good question, but I think the amount of time spent compiling a language is going to be pretty tiny compared to the amount of time the application is running.

Still - "energy efficiency" may be the worst metric to use when choosing a language.

[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Energy efficiency strongly correlates to datacentre costs.

[-] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

And battery costs, including charging time, for a lot of devices. Users generally aren't happy with devices that run out of juice all the time.

[-] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 6 points 2 months ago

They compile each benchmark solution as needed, following the CLBG guidelines, but they do not measure or report the energy consumed during the compilation step.

Time to write our own paper with regex and compiler flags.

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