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Just as the title asks I've noticed a very sharp increase in people just straight up not comprehending what they're reading.

They'll read it and despite all the information being there, if it's even slightly out of line from the most straightforward sentence structure, they act like it's complete gibberish or indecipherable.

Has anyone else noticed this? Because honestly it's making me lose my fucking mind.

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[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

I've had the same experience with people (intentionally or otherwise) misinterpreting what I said to mean something completely opposite. And I call them out on it every time, like seriously did you even READ what I said or did you just see a few words and insert your own beliefs into what you thought I was going to say? I've actually had some people admit that yes, they did indeed quickly skim without letting the actual words sink in.

It's really a shame that you're reducing your writing to the lowest common denominator. Sure there may be times when there's a reason for that (Earth not flat, dummy), but the rest of the time it drags down the whole conversation to a level where it's difficult to have a meaningful discussion. If someone is really trying to grasp a concept but they're missing it then of course you need to drop out of the technical jargon to help them get up to speed, but the ones who are there just to ridicule and troll simply aren't worth the effort to explain simple concepts to (such as your opinion on women's reproductive rights is meaningless, the only opinion that matters is that of the woman who is affected by the issue). Keep up the high-quality discussions and ignore everyone who doesn't make the effort to keep up!

[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

IMO, many (most?) people quite simply don't think about things. They just have some dogmatic positions they've taken for some reasons, and they regurgitate them as necessary.

And that's a lot of the reason that they so often and so brazenly misinterpret things other people say. They're not actually reading to comprehend - they're reading just to get enough of a feel for it to classify it, so that they'll have some (potentially quite wrong) idea of which bit of rhetoric to trot out in response to it.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

You are not wrong. Reading what you typed, I can't help but think about the people who have spent so much time defending their self-serving opinions that they can no longer have any reaction other than to start arguing. My ex had a bad case of bi-polar. She was really a great person, but any time someone disagreed with her (or even if she thought they were disagreeing) a switch would flip and she would rage at you until she thought she had won. Even walking away wasn't enough because then she wanted an admission that she was right. Funny thing was that after that had passed and she calmed down, you could talk to her rationally and she could see your point, but it simply wasn't worth the effort.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 6 points 1 year ago

Keep up the high-quality discussions and ignore everyone who doesn’t make the effort to keep up!

Yup. This is the only way. Those people are just trying to get responses. The only way to get win is to not give them what they want.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Honestly I feel like the only reason they do this is to bring people down to their level so they can feel like they are somehow smarter, because that's a lot less effort than actually learning about the subject. Ah well.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

It's true. It's a way for them to feel like they are better than someone else.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Sure, there's that. Also, sometimes I just write bad.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Haha don't we all!

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's really a shame that you're reducing your writing to the lowest common denominator

yeah

At times I've been considering using spoiler mechanics to write a "simple English" reply, followed by the actual answer, hidden for only the more discerning reader to uncover.

[-] maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

There's a difference between simplifying a message and writing at a lower reading comprehension level. I think a lot of accidental incomprehension might just be caused by the reader not being very good at reading English.

In my country (and I think the whole EU), government agencies have to write at a B1 level to make sure official publications and letters are accessible to all citizens. I think that's a good rule of thumb for online conversations as well. (However, writing pleasant prose at B1 level is a whole different beast. Generally, they're not very good at it.)

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Good point on catering to those who speak other languages, I hadn't considered that.

So what does a B1 level equate to? I'm assuming it's lower than college level, probably lower that a high school level? Are we talking like middle school, grade school, or something else?

[-] maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry, didn't get a notification.

Yeah, it's basically at high school level, so most of the adult population should be able to understand it without much issue.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

No worries, thanks for the update. Yeah that makes sense, we would hope that most people make it through high school, although the way they're going in some parts of the US by gutting the education and white-washing history (they're actually trying to teach kids that slavery was a GOOD thing!!!) I feel like in a few years a high school education here is going to be meaningless.

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