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Date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, with government using increasingly sophisticated tools to censor its discussion

There is no official death toll but activists believe hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed by China’s People’s Liberation Army in the streets around Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s central plaza, on 4 June 1989.

The date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, and the Chinese government employs extensive and increasingly sophisticated resources to censor any discussion or acknowledgment of it inside China. Internet censors scrub even the most obscure references to the date from online spaces, and activists in China are often put under increased surveillance or sent on enforced “holidays” away from Beijing.

New research from human rights workers has found that the sensitive date also sees heightened transnational repression of Chinese government critics overseas by the government and its proxies.

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[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The soldiers weren’t given orders to “murder anyone that moves” or else the tank would’ve run that guy over. Where did you get that?

Tank man stood in front of the tank on June 5th, the massacre happened on June 4th.

I don’t think anyone even died in Tiannamen Square itself. Battles happened in other parts of the city as soldiers defended themselves, though. It wasn’t peaceful like you said earlier, soldiers died.

What was that again about me making shit up? It sounds to me like you're getting high off you're own supply.

but at least get the facts straight.

You know what, that's a good idea. Let's get the facts straight, shall we? Go ahead and post your sources that actually support your claims. Shouldn't be a hard thing to do if they're facts like you say. I'll be waiting.

And of course similar things happened in the US. We bombed an apartment building. There was the Kent shootings, the Haymarket massacre, Whiskey Rebellion, the incident in Waco, the assassination of Fred Hampton, hell, cop shootings happen every year. Not to mention hundreds of years of slavery where who knows how many were killed.

Lol you really had to do mental gymnastics to come up with any examples at all. I mean you had to go all the back to 1791 to the Whiskey Rebellion (if we're going back that far then look up the Taiping Rebellion) to find something and then used the Waco Seige of the Branch Davidians cult as an example. The only relevant example you have is the Kent state shooting, and even that's from 1970 and only 4 people were killed. Even then, I'm honest enough to acknowledge that this event was indeed bad and should be condemned.

And no, Mao is not worse than Hitler.

Highly debatable. Mao has a very good case to top Hitler. He killed way more people and he was just as ruthless. Mao tops Hitler as the worst dictator of the 20th century.

Mismanagement leading to famines is bad and the Cultural Revolution went too far in some places, and China acknowledges those mistakes btw

Somewhere between 40 and 80 million people died under Mao's reign. That can't brushed off with an "oopsies". Also, China still hails this guy as a national hero even though his successor, Deng Xiaoping (who's responsible for the Tiananmen square massacre), had to literally do a de-Maoization like Khrushchev did with de-Stalinization to save the country from collapse.

but they don’t compare to the targeted genocides, holocaust, and wars of Hitler

Don't get it twisted, Hitler is one of the most evil men in history. There's a reason why he reached infamy in history. I'm just pointing out that he wasn't without rivals during the 20th century, and Mao is one of the very few people with a legitimate case as being the shittiest human of that century.

Plus, the US has done all those things

Wow, you are slow. It's not a competition. The reason why I brought up those things about China was to demonstrate no matter what examples are brought up about the US, China has an endless bag of atrocities to match or even exceed. That's not the point because nobody is arguing which country has the worse history, the point of contention was that the person that I replied to originally claimed that the US today is worse than China today when it comes to things like Tienanmen Square massacre and their examples had no relevance to their claim at all.

You say you acknowledge the bad the US has done and then ignore all of them to make it sound like China is the worst places to have ever existed

You don't need to have a ledger of condemnations so tankies can be satisfied with their perceived proportionate amount of criticism being applied towards China or any country. If an event is worthy of criticism then it should be criticized, simple as. If you're seething over people condemning an atrocity and drowning yourself in fallacies like whataboutism, then there's a good chance you either support the atrocities or the entity responsible for committing them.

If you made a post about the Kent State shooting, for example, right now on Lemmy or anywhere else really, you're not going to get a hoard of Americans or non Americans in the comments crying about "BuT wHaT aBoUt ChInA hYpOcRiTeS?!?", they're just going to condemn the event and move on... as they should. But when it comes to doing the same thing for a country like China or Russia, you will always get a hoard of tankies defending the reprehensible acts and crying hypocrisy... even though they themselves are hypocrites.

All you’ve proved is you consume propaganda uncritically and without context.

Ironic coming from you

[-] germanichwurst@feddit.org -3 points 1 week ago

Can you quit doing holocaust trivialisation? Attrocities have been commited under every ideologies (wanna talk about Congo?). Nazis were the only ones with the explicit goal of ethnic purity

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Can you quit doing holocaust trivialisation?

Pointing out other atrocities in history that are just as, if not more horrific, is not trivialization. The Holocaust is one of the worst events in history, no doubt about it. That being said there are other atrocities in history that have reached that levels in either ruthlessness, death toll, or both. Ignoring the other atrocities in history would just be us trivializing them.

Attrocities have been commited under every ideologies (wanna talk about Congo?).

Yes, they have, and yes, we should talk about them. Belguim's atrocities in the Congo aren't talked about nearly enough.

Nazis were the only ones with the explicit goal of ethnic purity

No, this is false. The idea of ethnic purity is something that has been around for a long time. The only unique thing about the Nazis was that they industrialized mass killings while carrying out their genocides.

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Jesus Fuck, you tankies are god damned children with your logic. More than one thing can be, and in fact are and have been and will be, bad while other things have happened that are also just as bad, if not worse, while not diluting other events, you get that, right? There is more than one atrocity you should be aware of throughout history and every government has been objectively fucking awful, stop sucking so much authoritarian dick. You fuckers are kowtowing cowards.

[-] germanichwurst@feddit.org -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

you made a post about the Kent State shooting, for example, right now on Lemmy or anywhere else really, you’re not going to a hoard of Americans or non Americans in the comments crying about “BuT wHaT aBoUt ChInA hYpOcRiTeS?!?”,

China doesn't have a penn state day, idiot.

Also china isn't arming a genocide right now

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

China doesn’t have a penn state day, idiot.

Penn state? Wtf are you talking about?

Also china isn’t arming a genocide right no

Yes, they are. They're arming Russia's genocide in Ukraine and they're also carrying out their own genocides in both Tibet and Xinjiang.

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